Saint Ballado mare advice please

[Elusive City]

I don't really understand why you think "breeding a good horse" and "making money" are mutually exclusive. The market place determines the price of a horse, and the buyers are willing to pay more for "good horses". So, if you're really breeding a good horse, you would be profitable in the sales ring, regardless of whether your original intention is to race or to sell...

My thinking wasThere are a lot easier ways to make money than breeding an Unclaimed 14K mare.

If it were just the money we would never have bred Itsy. would have just retired her to a farm of a partner and that would be that. it going to be hard to make money off a 14K dam. Everyone in the partnership knew it going in.

[FOS]

hi Elusive City

I'm not so sure you might not be in store for a good experience with Itbaya.

Respectfully

[sb]

For starters...this will be her first foal...and maiden foals are often smaller than one might like to see. Selling a small foal/yearling is not an easy task...and I expect that the chances are greater that she'll have a smaller than average foal (at least on the first go around) than the chances are that she'll have an average or larger foal.

I don't believe that the first foals are smaller. At least that has not been my experienced over the years, and since this mare is, from what I understand, a big girl, I would not even emphasize the size. I think there is a difference between 'big' and 'precocious' ore early mature. Big colts take more time to mature, so buyers who are looking for big are looking in the wrong places. Rather, concentrate on correctness, good racing conformation [depending on racing goals], attitude, etc. I see 'good looks as an indicator of athleticism and not just prettiness. You'll find both of these aspects in Fusiachi Pegasus, lol.

I find it always amazing how little people pay attention to the individual horse and only focus on the pedigree. If we had more genuine access to details on stallions and mares, we might be able to construct better race talent. A race car has both a motor and an exterior form as in form and function.
If you have a very large mare, do not breed her to a large stallion this time would be my suggestion. The dam [+ her background] usually determines the size of the foal with some exceptions, as always.

SB

[sb]

You probably won't like this guy because he hasn't done too well at prestige auctions, but he appears to be rather popular with people who want to race. He was bred to 113 mares this past season. Anyway, take a look. There are, of course, oodles of other possibilities. Just thought I'd go with MUTAKDDIM for one. He stands alongside some pretty fancy stallions at Hill "n" Dale.

MUTAKDDIM is by Seeking The Gold ex
Oscillate by by Seattle Slew.
Stud Fee: $12,500

MUTAKDDIM/SAINTLY MAGIC DP = 10-0-13-1-0 (24)* DI = 2.20 CD = 0.79; GSV = 69.28
*dominant classicity points: 11 over 13

Conduit Mare Profile = 5-6-6-7-5 Speed = 11 Stamina = 12 Index = 0.96 Triads = 17-19-18


MUTAKDDIM belongs to family 1-x-La Troienne

43 Stakes Winner Worldwide


Overview
http://www.tesiopower.com/tb/sixgen.aspx?hID=10440574

MR PROSPECTOR 3S x 4D (2) (0) 18.75%
SEEKING THE GOLD // NAEVUS

BUCKPASSER 4s x 5s (0) (2) 9.38%
CON GAME // NUMBERED ACCOUNT

HAIL TO REASON 6s x 4D (1) (1) 7.81%
BOLD REASONING // HALO

TOM FOOL 5S x 6S x 6d (1) (1) 6.25%
BUCKPASSER BUCKPASSER // BATTER UP


NATIVE DANCER 5S x 6s x 6D (1) (1) 6.25%
RAISE A NATIVE NATALMA * // RAISE A NATIVE

ALMAHMOUD 6s x 5d (0) (2) 4.69%
NATALMA * // COSMAH *
b. 1953

BOLD RULER 6S x 6D (2) (0) 3.13%
BOLDNESIAN // BOLD LAD


Focus:

SEEKING THE GOLD: MR. PROSPECTOR NATIVE DANCER POLYNESIAN
NASRULLAH
CON GAME : BUCKPASSER TOM FOOL WAR ADMIRAL


HALO : HAIL TO REASON ROYAL CHARGER
...............................................................................PHARAMOND
.............................................ALMAHMOUD*

..................NAEVUS : MR. PROSPECTOR ............NATIVE DANCER

.....................dam MUDVILLE : BOLD RULER [ MISTY MORN ]TOM FOOL STRIKING *

10 crosses and up for 9 generations. You still get TEDDY with the highest numbers. For whatever it is worth, the great majority of Ky Derby, Preakness, and/or Triple Crown winners had TEDDY leading in 9 generations. Exception as of late:
SMARTY JONES : PHALARIS 18 TEDDY 14 and Monarchos: PHALARIS 18 TEDDY 11 among the Ky Derby winners.

TEDDY 17 (3) (2)
BLENHEIM2 14 (3) (1)
MAN O WAR 13 (3) (4)
PHALARIS 12 (3) (1)
PHAROS 12 (2) (1)
BLUE LARKSPUR 11 (1) (6)
PLUCKY LIEGE 11 (3) (0)
MUMTAZ MAHAL 11 (1) (2)
NEARCO 10 (3) (0)

Breeding record: going strong inspite of rather low bred/live foals rate

Mutakddim was bred to 113 mares in 2005
Mutakddim 162 122 94 58% KY 2004
Mutakddim 163 128 101 62% KY 2003
Mutakddim 140 111 86 61% KY 2002
Mutakddim 78 52 31 40% KY 2001
Mutakddim 33 28 25 76% KY 2000
Mutakddim 84 52 62% KY 1999
Mutakddim 49 27 55% KY 1998

[sb]

Northern Afleet versus Mutakddim's progeny



Northern Afleet

Top Ten Runners By
Lifetime Earnings
Updated 2/21/2006

Afleet Alex $2,765,800
G P Fleet $563,184
Unforgettable Max $384,079
Saint Afleet $342,571
Chez Audra $261,490
Ice Wynnd Fire $230,700
Paris Adventure $224,344
Northern Air $215,383
North Broad $183,611
You're Darn Tootin $153,832

Mutakddim

Top Ten Runners By
Lifetime Earnings
Updated 2/21/2006


Lady Tak $1,160,782
Hattiesburg $542,675
Sterling Gold $408,601
Foundry World $367,840
Miss Noire $312,465
Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk $311,163
The Student (Arg) $305,921
My Man Ryan $290,395
Gangster $284,998
Ceviche $272,382


Northern Afleet

Top Ten Runners By
2006 Earnings
Updated 2/21/2006


Charming Afleet $27,600
Skip With Julie $17,440
G P Fleet $13,188
Magic Afleet $10,800
Just Starting $10,570
Auroraz $8,420
Polite Future $8,340
Afleet Tiger $8,140
Paris Adventure $7,500
Vivecaine $7,460

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Mutakddim

Top Ten Runners By
2006 Earnings
Updated 2/21/2006


Fast Laner $51,841
Brunilda (ARG) $29,850
Sir Gallant $28,950
The Student (ARG) $27,200
Swift Prince $25,380
Herman Muttster $21,000
Carefree Jim $13,215
Ceviche $9,224
=The Best Din (ARG)$6,559
Parisiana $6,300

[bcassidy]

Jagger---I am very late to find this thread but if you decided to go to Northern Afleet, I think you made an excellent choice. He really upgrades his mares and I absolutely believe his stud fee will double or triple in the very near future.
I hope breeding a medium sized stallion to a taller mare works for both us, I bred my Unbridled Mare (Bridle Wave) to Northern Afleet last breeding season and I am waiting to see what her foal will look like. In general, I am not a fan of breeding smaller to big so I hope it works out well for both of us, I tend to be a "like to like" breeder. I went for Northern Afleet last year because I believe he was a steel at 12,500 and he is an even better deal at 20k this year. In my opinion, if Taylor Made hadn't made such a huge mistake with Our Emblem, NA would have been 40k this year, so you caught a huge break. Hard to believe he is only 20k this year--our good fortune. Good luck on your mating and I hope your mare gets in foal very quickly. The commercial market loves early foals.

[Elusive City]

hi Elusive City

I'm not so sure you might not be in store for a good experience with Itbaya.

Respectfully

well we shall see.

First race for the hog is Saturday in a MSW sprint at Hawthorne
on Saturday. Our first homebred race.

Allan