Notebook Mares
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wilf
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Notebook Mares
I am a regular posting member of this message board since the early days so I am aware that several of you folks out there are pretty sharp concerning pedigrees and nicks. As a trainer I come across all kinds of bloodlines and train them as I find them but now and again I feel the need for outside opinions in areas that are new to me. I have trained two fillies to win as three year olds out of the same Notebook mare and have a chance to acquire her as a broodmare. Two foals to race , two winners so what are your opinions about Notebook as a broodmare sire and possible crosses to bring out the best type of foal. I would probably keep her at my place in Ocala. Any responses are gratefully recieved. Regards Wilf.
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hi Wilf
I believe that Notebook was a very handsome, well-made and sturdy, good-sized and well proportioned...quality thoroughbred.
He exposed his ability as a graded stakes-winning racehorse and proved time and again (as a sire) that he could consistently get solid runners...including an occasional Top-class runner (example: G1 winner Three Rings).
That said...if the mare that you have been offered is a quality example of what Notebook was capable of getting; that coupled with the fact that you have trained the mare's first two foals and made it to the winner's circle (with both) seems to suggest that she is worthy of a serious look IF the price is right (all things considered).
You have offered some general information, therefore my response is somewhat general...but I must say, it would NOT surprise me to see Notebook become the broodmare sire of some VERY nice runners...maybe even Top-class.
Notebook always appealed to me...he was a VERY nice horse (in my opinion).
For what it's worth, Notebook (as a young horse) was selected by D Wayne Lucas for Eugene Klein. He had the look (including the hip) that Lucas was known to like. Years later, Notebook was purchased as a stallion prospect (for $120k, if memory serves) by Ocala Stud (at the Klein dispersal).
Best to you.
Respectfully
I believe that Notebook was a very handsome, well-made and sturdy, good-sized and well proportioned...quality thoroughbred.
He exposed his ability as a graded stakes-winning racehorse and proved time and again (as a sire) that he could consistently get solid runners...including an occasional Top-class runner (example: G1 winner Three Rings).
That said...if the mare that you have been offered is a quality example of what Notebook was capable of getting; that coupled with the fact that you have trained the mare's first two foals and made it to the winner's circle (with both) seems to suggest that she is worthy of a serious look IF the price is right (all things considered).
You have offered some general information, therefore my response is somewhat general...but I must say, it would NOT surprise me to see Notebook become the broodmare sire of some VERY nice runners...maybe even Top-class.
Notebook always appealed to me...he was a VERY nice horse (in my opinion).
For what it's worth, Notebook (as a young horse) was selected by D Wayne Lucas for Eugene Klein. He had the look (including the hip) that Lucas was known to like. Years later, Notebook was purchased as a stallion prospect (for $120k, if memory serves) by Ocala Stud (at the Klein dispersal).
Best to you.
Respectfully
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louis finochio
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Notebook was produced from the Phalaris thru Well Decorated and Rabelais thru Tom Rolfe nick.
Notebook's sire line is speed and early maturing. Notebook's dam side is stamina and late maturing.
If your TB are showing speed in their trials you can go on with them.
If they are not showing the speed take your time with them.
Notebook's sire line is speed and early maturing. Notebook's dam side is stamina and late maturing.
If your TB are showing speed in their trials you can go on with them.
If they are not showing the speed take your time with them.
Those without sin cast the first stone.
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wilf
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Thanks for the input guys, actually I can get the Notebook mare for free and as her first two foals are basically sound if a little crazy I was tinkering with the idea of bringing her down to Florida and and breeding her perhaps to something with a decent temperament. I just figured a few of you may have opinions on decent nicks to look for.
hi wilf
I believe the following three young Florida stallions have the makings for sire success, and are being offered significant opportunity.
Full Mandate (SW on the dirt by A.P. Indy, also a winner at Churchill, Keeneland etc) will have his first runners in 2007. Based on what I've seen he has an excellent temperment (and I have not heard to the contrary). He offers plenty of size and scope, and the fact that he was a $3.2 mil yearling might shed some light on what some think/thought of his conformation and pedigree. He's strong, has lots of bone and (in my opinion) is quite well made. His feet might be a touch smaller than some might prefer to see, but that's probably the Slew/A.P. Indy coming through. His yearlings (that I've seen) are for the most part strong...have plenty of size...good quarters...and seem to have good feet. In general, I might describe them as a very good, sturdy and robust group. Two recently sold at Fasig July...one for $120,000, another for $100,000. I suggest that FM might be dependable to inject some staying power. That said, I sense that breeders might best be served by sending mares (to FM) that had (and/or offer) speed to spare. He's on the bubble, but I expect success as a racehorse sire is in his future. Hartley-Derenzo seems to be doing an outstanding job with him.
Omega Code (brilliant G3 winner on the dirt by Elusive Quality) has his first crop now on the ground (2006). He too apparently has an excellent temperment. OC had absolutely brilliant speed (as a 2-yo, 6f SW in Cal in NTR 1:07 3/5, WOW...and as a 3-yo, G3-San Miguel Stakes sprint-winner at Santa Anita). Omega Code has an excellent front end (in my opinion), and has furnished out to be a VERY attractive young stallion. That said, his hind leg might be a bit more upright (or post-legged) than some might prefer. It's clear that OC is receiving a HUGE opportunity at Hartley-Derenzo. His first foals (that I've seen) are plain bay/brown with an occasional white marking or two. Color aside, the ones that I've seen had plenty of leg under them (actually more than I expected) and most had good length. They are nicely balanced and proportioned and have a serious set of quarters on them too. I've seen a number of VERY good foals by OC. I recently looked at one (which was described as about 5 months old) that was about as good as it can get (from my perspective). I sense that Omega Code's offspring will attract serious attention at the sales.
Indian Ocean (G3 winner on the dirt by Stormy Atlantic) seems to be a class act with an excellent temperment. I would describe him as being loaded with quality...and (in my opinion), I expect him to get both brilliant speed and quality two-turn horses (he broke his maiden at 6 1/2 f in 1:14 and change...and won the 1 1/16 mile G3-Affirmed H, on the dirt, over Surf Cat, Buzzards Bay etc). I could imagine him getting top-class two-year-olds that could go on and become classics threats etc. He has plenty of size (maybe 16-1 1/2+-) and scope, is beautifully balanced & proportioned and is dead-on correct up front (and behind). He also makes a wonderful impression (in my opinion). That coupled with his coloring and markings, seems to make it clear (to me anyway) that Northern Dancer has made his mark. IO appears (from my perspective) to be loaded with quality. As for female family, IO's first three dams are by Halo, Gone West and Northern Dancer; I'd say, VERY nice. IO was apparently strongly supported and was bred to MANY very good mares including stakes-producers. Bridlewood (where he stands) can do an exceptional job, and I sense that IO is one they are behind big-time. I would not be surprised to see him become a big-gun. IO seems to be a lot of horse for a bargain price. First foals arrive 2007.
Respectfully
I believe the following three young Florida stallions have the makings for sire success, and are being offered significant opportunity.
Full Mandate (SW on the dirt by A.P. Indy, also a winner at Churchill, Keeneland etc) will have his first runners in 2007. Based on what I've seen he has an excellent temperment (and I have not heard to the contrary). He offers plenty of size and scope, and the fact that he was a $3.2 mil yearling might shed some light on what some think/thought of his conformation and pedigree. He's strong, has lots of bone and (in my opinion) is quite well made. His feet might be a touch smaller than some might prefer to see, but that's probably the Slew/A.P. Indy coming through. His yearlings (that I've seen) are for the most part strong...have plenty of size...good quarters...and seem to have good feet. In general, I might describe them as a very good, sturdy and robust group. Two recently sold at Fasig July...one for $120,000, another for $100,000. I suggest that FM might be dependable to inject some staying power. That said, I sense that breeders might best be served by sending mares (to FM) that had (and/or offer) speed to spare. He's on the bubble, but I expect success as a racehorse sire is in his future. Hartley-Derenzo seems to be doing an outstanding job with him.
Omega Code (brilliant G3 winner on the dirt by Elusive Quality) has his first crop now on the ground (2006). He too apparently has an excellent temperment. OC had absolutely brilliant speed (as a 2-yo, 6f SW in Cal in NTR 1:07 3/5, WOW...and as a 3-yo, G3-San Miguel Stakes sprint-winner at Santa Anita). Omega Code has an excellent front end (in my opinion), and has furnished out to be a VERY attractive young stallion. That said, his hind leg might be a bit more upright (or post-legged) than some might prefer. It's clear that OC is receiving a HUGE opportunity at Hartley-Derenzo. His first foals (that I've seen) are plain bay/brown with an occasional white marking or two. Color aside, the ones that I've seen had plenty of leg under them (actually more than I expected) and most had good length. They are nicely balanced and proportioned and have a serious set of quarters on them too. I've seen a number of VERY good foals by OC. I recently looked at one (which was described as about 5 months old) that was about as good as it can get (from my perspective). I sense that Omega Code's offspring will attract serious attention at the sales.
Indian Ocean (G3 winner on the dirt by Stormy Atlantic) seems to be a class act with an excellent temperment. I would describe him as being loaded with quality...and (in my opinion), I expect him to get both brilliant speed and quality two-turn horses (he broke his maiden at 6 1/2 f in 1:14 and change...and won the 1 1/16 mile G3-Affirmed H, on the dirt, over Surf Cat, Buzzards Bay etc). I could imagine him getting top-class two-year-olds that could go on and become classics threats etc. He has plenty of size (maybe 16-1 1/2+-) and scope, is beautifully balanced & proportioned and is dead-on correct up front (and behind). He also makes a wonderful impression (in my opinion). That coupled with his coloring and markings, seems to make it clear (to me anyway) that Northern Dancer has made his mark. IO appears (from my perspective) to be loaded with quality. As for female family, IO's first three dams are by Halo, Gone West and Northern Dancer; I'd say, VERY nice. IO was apparently strongly supported and was bred to MANY very good mares including stakes-producers. Bridlewood (where he stands) can do an exceptional job, and I sense that IO is one they are behind big-time. I would not be surprised to see him become a big-gun. IO seems to be a lot of horse for a bargain price. First foals arrive 2007.
Respectfully
I would consider Mr. Livingston for a Notebook mare
Have you considered Mr. Livingston a son of El Prado
With this cross you would line breed on great mares
Pocohontas 5x5
Cap and Bells 4x4
Another stallion to consider may be Proud Accolade
line breeding Raja Baba 4x4
Keith
With this cross you would line breed on great mares
Pocohontas 5x5
Cap and Bells 4x4
Another stallion to consider may be Proud Accolade
line breeding Raja Baba 4x4
Keith
superior cross
You should look for sires bye Relaunch.
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Comeonmom
Hi,
Take a look at comeomom. He is from Mt Livermore's family that means inbreeding to the family of Well Decorated. He is out of a Hatchet Man mare that was a winner making inbreeding to Tom Fool Daughters
http://www.readingfarm.com
Thanks,
Chris
Take a look at comeomom. He is from Mt Livermore's family that means inbreeding to the family of Well Decorated. He is out of a Hatchet Man mare that was a winner making inbreeding to Tom Fool Daughters
http://www.readingfarm.com
Thanks,
Chris
I had a Notebook mare I bred twice then sold. Sold for personal reasons, nothing wrong with the mare. She was a raving beauty conformationally. Probably the most correct horse I ever had. She was sensitive and smart. Not too friendly.....didn't like to be fussed over. Just prefered to be left alone. Her first colt was a real pain in the ass until I figured out what the problem was. He was toooo smart. I thought he was not getting what I tried to teach him. Eventually I caught on that he was so dang smart that he actually GOT it the first time and just as quick figured out how to get OUT of doing it! I was careful of what kind of home I sold him to because a horse like him could turn into a wreck real fast in the wrong hands.