Please provide me with your opinions (good, bad, and indifferent) regarding the following mating, bearing in mind that it is for racing purposes and not commercial:
Leroidesanimaux - Ubi Star by Spend A Buck
The mare's pedigree and information can be accessed on the pedigree query. Thank you in advance for all of your insights.
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I dont think you can go wrong with Leroi. If you're looking for a turf runner, he's as good of a bet as any unproven stallion in Kentucky. That family behind him is incredible and he's about as sexy as you can get physically. LOVE him. I wouldnt hesitate to contact Stonewall about him, especially Clark Shepherd there. Great guy.
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kimberley mine
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I'm going to play devil's advocate to Maven. As a racehorse sire, the biggest knock against Leroi is that he's totally unproven, and as such very risky for a $30,000 fee.
For the $30,000 for a date with Leroi, you could take her back to Dayjur ($5000) for the cross that produced a stakes winner and have money to spare. Or you could try to capitalize on the Spend A Buck/Grey Dawn cross that produced Pico Central. Waquoit stands for $5000 and has a Gr-2 winner from a Spend a Buck mare. Holy Bull has a stakes winner similarly bred to your mare (out of an Island Whirl mare, out of a Hold Your Peace mare) for $15,000. Smoke Glacken is an all-around good value racehorse sire for $25,000, and is improving his mares by about 20%.
For the $30,000 for a date with Leroi, you could take her back to Dayjur ($5000) for the cross that produced a stakes winner and have money to spare. Or you could try to capitalize on the Spend A Buck/Grey Dawn cross that produced Pico Central. Waquoit stands for $5000 and has a Gr-2 winner from a Spend a Buck mare. Holy Bull has a stakes winner similarly bred to your mare (out of an Island Whirl mare, out of a Hold Your Peace mare) for $15,000. Smoke Glacken is an all-around good value racehorse sire for $25,000, and is improving his mares by about 20%.
Kimberly,
Thank you for your thoughts.
Since he stands for $25k, I suppose the extra 10 - 20K as compared to your recommendations, is the premium one must pay to breed to such an illustrious female family which seemingly appears to be on the cusp of becoming a sire producing family, i.e. Dansili. Additionally, from a confirmational perspective, I could find only one insignificant fault which is too minor to mention with Leroidesanimaux. Conversly though, when viewing in the past few years the sires you recommended in your post, I observed physical issues which left me less than enthusiastic.
Nonetheless, please give me your thoughts on the specific cross?
Thank you for your thoughts.
Since he stands for $25k, I suppose the extra 10 - 20K as compared to your recommendations, is the premium one must pay to breed to such an illustrious female family which seemingly appears to be on the cusp of becoming a sire producing family, i.e. Dansili. Additionally, from a confirmational perspective, I could find only one insignificant fault which is too minor to mention with Leroidesanimaux. Conversly though, when viewing in the past few years the sires you recommended in your post, I observed physical issues which left me less than enthusiastic.
Nonetheless, please give me your thoughts on the specific cross?
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kimberley mine
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hi Danzig
If you're looking primarily toward the turf...why not consider Royal Academy? He has sired no less than 8 champions/highweights, and has a number of good runners out there right now, including G2 winner Oprah Winney...and recent (March 3/2007) $1mil Santa Anita Handicap-G1 runner-up, Molengao (who was 2nd by 3/4 lengths to Lava Man).
RA can certainly get you a runner, and I would expect would cross VERY well with a Buckpasser-line mare (such as your Ubi Star).
He's advertised at $15k, but I would expect that Ashford would likely do better than that.
If you're looking for a stallion that stands for very little money, and that was quite the acomplished turf runner himself (and whose first foals are just now 3-yos)...Honor Glide (advertised at $4k Live, and standing in Florida) might be interesting for you to consider.
He earned $1.3+ mil...was a G1 winner (on the turf) at age three and five...and also placed in many turf G1s, G2s and G3s. I submit...he's furnished out to be an attractive robust stallion, his long career and 38 starts suggests he was quite sound, and his dam's family is what I might describe as quality turf from top to bottom (with group/graded/stakes-winning turfers on each/both sides of the Atlantic, including multiple-champion turf super-star April Run).
All the luck to you, whatever your final decision, with Ubi Star.
Respectfully
If you're looking primarily toward the turf...why not consider Royal Academy? He has sired no less than 8 champions/highweights, and has a number of good runners out there right now, including G2 winner Oprah Winney...and recent (March 3/2007) $1mil Santa Anita Handicap-G1 runner-up, Molengao (who was 2nd by 3/4 lengths to Lava Man).
RA can certainly get you a runner, and I would expect would cross VERY well with a Buckpasser-line mare (such as your Ubi Star).
He's advertised at $15k, but I would expect that Ashford would likely do better than that.
If you're looking for a stallion that stands for very little money, and that was quite the acomplished turf runner himself (and whose first foals are just now 3-yos)...Honor Glide (advertised at $4k Live, and standing in Florida) might be interesting for you to consider.
He earned $1.3+ mil...was a G1 winner (on the turf) at age three and five...and also placed in many turf G1s, G2s and G3s. I submit...he's furnished out to be an attractive robust stallion, his long career and 38 starts suggests he was quite sound, and his dam's family is what I might describe as quality turf from top to bottom (with group/graded/stakes-winning turfers on each/both sides of the Atlantic, including multiple-champion turf super-star April Run).
All the luck to you, whatever your final decision, with Ubi Star.
Respectfully
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Bill from WA
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Hi
Have you considered Mizzen Mast at $15,000. He has no inbreeding within 5 generations, with no Mr P or Raise A Native, and the hypo mating with Ubi Star is solid, with the conduit mares, Artless and N R A having very similar contributions. He is off to a pretty good start at stud, and his runners should get better as they mature.
Bill
Have you considered Mizzen Mast at $15,000. He has no inbreeding within 5 generations, with no Mr P or Raise A Native, and the hypo mating with Ubi Star is solid, with the conduit mares, Artless and N R A having very similar contributions. He is off to a pretty good start at stud, and his runners should get better as they mature.
Bill
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