Pedigree Query

This mare is listed on another board, with some lively discusssion from the sport horse folks. My racing brethren, what say ye about this Ogden Phipps bred mare?

She looks like she may have some repro issues and has not been bred to much.

Her dam produced two graded stakes performers, and is out of a champion 2 year old filly who happens to be a full sister to Reviewer.

most recent catalog page I could find online: http://www.fasigtipton.com/catalogs/2002/1021/winner%20haven%20farm.pdf

Royal Selection, 1988 dark bay or brown mare, by Majestic Light 73
-- Her Prerogative 70, by Buckpasser 63

The following is a list of the foals of Royal Selection:


1992 Barren (bred to Don's Choice 1982)

1993 No report received

1994 Foal died (bred to Ogygian 1983)

1995 No report received

1996/05/01 Royally Taken, b filly by Take Me Out 1988
Died in 1999

1997 Barren (bred to Lord John 1988 and Flight Forty Nine 1991)

1998/06/10 A Royal Flight, dk b/ gelding by Flight Forty Nine 1991

1999 No report received

2000 Broodmare aborted foal (bred to Banker's Gold 1994)

2001/02/26 Reminiscing, dk b/ filly by Pride of Burkaan 1990

2002/04/05 Ago's Selection, dk b/ filly by Ago 1992

2003/03/23 Jim Pride an Joy, dk b/ colt by Pride of Burkaan 1990[/url]

springboro wrote:My racing brethren, what say ye about this Ogden Phipps bred mare?

Crap, don't care who bred her.

Forget the Phipps connection and concentrate on the fact that she's 19yo and has a shoddy production record. She's had more than enough opportunity to come up with the goods and failed. She couldn't even produce a middling allowance horse. Apparently she's difficult to get in foal/keep in foal. Why would you want to mess with a mare that old with a record like that when there are mares just as nicely bred who are much younger and haven't shown to be a failure?

At 19yos, who bred her, who she's out of and who she's related to is immaterial. She's not producing so there's no reason to continue throwing good money at her.

K, points observed and taken... I'm putting you down as a no.

NEXT?

I think you could do better.

Give the money to charity, and save some heartache. Find another mare.

hmmm.. i see a theme here. Well, as I had said, this was from another board and I was curious to see what you guys thought.

Tough crowd here for the poor older girls.... geeez. (the mares, not me!)

I've certainly seen a lot worse mares than this one being bred. I agree, she's "had her chances" but then again, looks like she's also been an unlucky mare, with foals dying, and trouble getting in foal. And what's more, she seems to have been bred to a selection of rather uninspiring stallions. And as a Majestic Light half-sister to the winner of the Manhattan H ((then G2), as well as a runner-up in the Brooklyn H (G1), and a champion 2-year-old filly as her second dam, I'd be hard pressed to shout abuse at anyone who decided to roll the dice, breed her to a nice stallion, and see what they come up with. I wouldn't do it with my very limited money, but if I had a client with reasonably deep pockets who wanted to take a gamble (clearly this mare can't cost more than $1,000), I dunno, I could be convinced pretty easily.

NO.......

The 2001 daughter by Pride Of Burkaan might be a diamond in the rough - NEVER, NEVER, NEVER give up on anything tail end to Flitabout!!!

If you need proof that the Flitabout line can still produce a nice runner in 2007, check out Law Enforcement's debut earlier this summer.

"And of such folly, is tragedy made".