What would entice breeders to bring better mares to PA sires
Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:08 pm
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 9:21 am
Better stallions
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:27 am
You posted this question somewhere else and got some good suggestions. Some had to do with racing, since I've never run anything here, (though I worked for some trainers that did ) and I'm not up on PA racing. What they suggested sounds like some good ideas. I'm going to have to bone up on PA racing. I've concentrated on NY, MD and Fl racing mostly. Not being a gambler I'm not up on PA's. Will study it though.
I just think it will take some time. The kinks need to be ironed out with the program and it will take some working with the tracks too. But I think within 5 years PA Breds will be what everyone wants.
winds
I just think it will take some time. The kinks need to be ironed out with the program and it will take some working with the tracks too. But I think within 5 years PA Breds will be what everyone wants.
winds
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:59 pm
The biggest thing for me in taking a mare to a breeding shed is the day rate for a mare or the how close the farm is to take the mare there breed and bring her home. For small breeders like me the day rate kills me. I breed to race, so the more I put into the day rate the less I have for stud fee.
dourm1
dourm1
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:11 pm
At my farm, the day rate is $14 and the stallion is here in the barn.
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:41 pm
OK< OK < ... Fox Tale Stud has just brought THREE Graded Stakes Winning Millionaires for 2008 !!!
We are just completing a new 30 stall barn and I am personally inviting everyone to the open house set tentatively for Jan 19 th, ( pending completion of the barn).
We have 25 years foal out experience ... now what more do you folks want???? Our day rate is sort of high... advertised at $20/day, but these are little bugs to be worked out! Our stallion owners want numbers, so deals are made to get the mares here, depending on the needs of the breeder. But what breeders have to understand is that there is a limit as to how far the farms and owners have to bend over backwards. You as the breeder stand to make the most money with a PA Bred, not the stallion owner, (although he can make 10% on REGISTERED PA FOALS , which is why he would discount the stud fee for a reg pa foal ) CERTAINLY not the stud farm .
A breeder should try to breed the best PA foal he/she can afford and then get it into the right hands- a good trainer who will run in the state, & not break it down. If this happens, you will get 30% of the lifetime earnings of that horse. Don't nickel and dime the potential buyer, if he is willing to do the right thing with your home bred.
A few of you seem confused about the eligibility rules...so here there are simply put:
A Thoroughbred foal born in the state of Pennsylvania and registered as such with the Jockey Club is eligible for Pennsylvania-Bred registration with the PHBA if one of the following conditions is met:
For foals of 2008 and thereafter, the dam of the foal resided continuously in Pennsylvania since October 1 of the year of conception through foaling.
OR
The dam of the foal was purchased at a public sale after October 1 of the year of conception and brought into Pennsylvania within 14 days of the date of purchase and remained continuously through foaling. During the year of foaling, the foal or its dam spent at least ninety (90) days in the state.
OR
The dam of the foal was bred to a stallion standing in Pennsylvania which was registered with the Pennsylvania Horse Breeders Association as a Pennsylvania stallion during the breeding season of the year of foaling, and said dam of the foal remained in the state for at least the next ninety (90) days after foaling.
We are just completing a new 30 stall barn and I am personally inviting everyone to the open house set tentatively for Jan 19 th, ( pending completion of the barn).
We have 25 years foal out experience ... now what more do you folks want???? Our day rate is sort of high... advertised at $20/day, but these are little bugs to be worked out! Our stallion owners want numbers, so deals are made to get the mares here, depending on the needs of the breeder. But what breeders have to understand is that there is a limit as to how far the farms and owners have to bend over backwards. You as the breeder stand to make the most money with a PA Bred, not the stallion owner, (although he can make 10% on REGISTERED PA FOALS , which is why he would discount the stud fee for a reg pa foal ) CERTAINLY not the stud farm .
A breeder should try to breed the best PA foal he/she can afford and then get it into the right hands- a good trainer who will run in the state, & not break it down. If this happens, you will get 30% of the lifetime earnings of that horse. Don't nickel and dime the potential buyer, if he is willing to do the right thing with your home bred.
A few of you seem confused about the eligibility rules...so here there are simply put:
A Thoroughbred foal born in the state of Pennsylvania and registered as such with the Jockey Club is eligible for Pennsylvania-Bred registration with the PHBA if one of the following conditions is met:
For foals of 2008 and thereafter, the dam of the foal resided continuously in Pennsylvania since October 1 of the year of conception through foaling.
OR
The dam of the foal was purchased at a public sale after October 1 of the year of conception and brought into Pennsylvania within 14 days of the date of purchase and remained continuously through foaling. During the year of foaling, the foal or its dam spent at least ninety (90) days in the state.
OR
The dam of the foal was bred to a stallion standing in Pennsylvania which was registered with the Pennsylvania Horse Breeders Association as a Pennsylvania stallion during the breeding season of the year of foaling, and said dam of the foal remained in the state for at least the next ninety (90) days after foaling.
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:44 pm
OK< OK < ... Fox Tale Stud has just brought THREE Graded Stakes Winning Millionaires for 2008 !!!
We are just completing a new 30 stall barn and I am personally inviting everyone to the open house set tentatively for Jan 19 th, ( pending completion of the barn).
We have 25 years foal out experience ... now what more do you folks want???? Our day rate is sort of high... advertised at $20/day, but these are little bugs to be worked out! Our stallion owners want numbers, so deals are made to get the mares here, depending on the needs of the breeder. But what breeders have to understand is that there is a limit as to how far the farms and owners have to bend over backwards. You as the breeder stand to make the most money with a PA Bred, not the stallion owner, (although he can make 10% on REGISTERED PA FOALS , which is why he would discount the stud fee for a reg pa foal ) CERTAINLY not the stud farm .
A breeder should try to breed the best PA foal he/she can afford and then get it into the right hands- a good trainer who will run in the state, & not break it down. If this happens, you will get 30% of the lifetime earnings of that horse. Don't nickel and dime the potential buyer, if he is willing to do the right thing with your home bred.
A few of you seem confused about the eligibility rules...so here there are simply put:
A Thoroughbred foal born in the state of Pennsylvania and registered as such with the Jockey Club is eligible for Pennsylvania-Bred registration with the PHBA if one of the following conditions is met:
For foals of 2008 and thereafter, the dam of the foal resided continuously in Pennsylvania since October 1 of the year of conception through foaling.
OR
The dam of the foal was purchased at a public sale after October 1 of the year of conception and brought into Pennsylvania within 14 days of the date of purchase and remained continuously through foaling. During the year of foaling, the foal or its dam spent at least ninety (90) days in the state.
OR
The dam of the foal was bred to a stallion standing in Pennsylvania which was registered with the Pennsylvania Horse Breeders Association as a Pennsylvania stallion during the breeding season of the year of foaling, and said dam of the foal remained in the state for at least the next ninety (90) days after foaling.
We are just completing a new 30 stall barn and I am personally inviting everyone to the open house set tentatively for Jan 19 th, ( pending completion of the barn).
We have 25 years foal out experience ... now what more do you folks want???? Our day rate is sort of high... advertised at $20/day, but these are little bugs to be worked out! Our stallion owners want numbers, so deals are made to get the mares here, depending on the needs of the breeder. But what breeders have to understand is that there is a limit as to how far the farms and owners have to bend over backwards. You as the breeder stand to make the most money with a PA Bred, not the stallion owner, (although he can make 10% on REGISTERED PA FOALS , which is why he would discount the stud fee for a reg pa foal ) CERTAINLY not the stud farm .
A breeder should try to breed the best PA foal he/she can afford and then get it into the right hands- a good trainer who will run in the state, & not break it down. If this happens, you will get 30% of the lifetime earnings of that horse. Don't nickel and dime the potential buyer, if he is willing to do the right thing with your home bred.
A few of you seem confused about the eligibility rules...so here there are simply put:
A Thoroughbred foal born in the state of Pennsylvania and registered as such with the Jockey Club is eligible for Pennsylvania-Bred registration with the PHBA if one of the following conditions is met:
For foals of 2008 and thereafter, the dam of the foal resided continuously in Pennsylvania since October 1 of the year of conception through foaling.
OR
The dam of the foal was purchased at a public sale after October 1 of the year of conception and brought into Pennsylvania within 14 days of the date of purchase and remained continuously through foaling. During the year of foaling, the foal or its dam spent at least ninety (90) days in the state.
OR
The dam of the foal was bred to a stallion standing in Pennsylvania which was registered with the Pennsylvania Horse Breeders Association as a Pennsylvania stallion during the breeding season of the year of foaling, and said dam of the foal remained in the state for at least the next ninety (90) days after foaling.
Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:31 pm
a breeders incentive program would reward breeders that improve their bloodstock. cull a D mare & replace her with a B mare. The stallions would be rewarded in the same manner.
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:33 pm
So if I wanted a PA bred I would need to ship my mare to PA by October 1 until it foaled or I breed to a PA stallion and ship her there to foal and keep her there 90 days after foaling (can she ship out long enough to be bred to a KY stallion for instance) or does she need to be bred back to a PA stallion?
Guess the folks that are buying mares now are in luck huh? They can buy a mare now and ship her to PA within 14 days of the auction and let her foal out (they then need to keep them there 90 days right?)
C
Guess the folks that are buying mares now are in luck huh? They can buy a mare now and ship her to PA within 14 days of the auction and let her foal out (they then need to keep them there 90 days right?)
C