Any comments on this guy??
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choking wrote:Dam's female side leaves alot to be desired(alot unraced) but other than that very nice bloodlines.
I respectfully disagree - He has a graded stakes-winning half-sister & a graded stakes-placed one. Also, his dam is half to graded stakes horses including the sire Will's Way & popular former Maryland sire Citidancer, also graded stakes producers & from a strong Maryland family.
They may be popular only in the Midatlantic, but the family certainly did race.
If he's not 'commercial racing sire material' it's not the fault of his dam's family.
evangelism, breeding to him
breeding to himbayrabicano wrote:He's absolutely beautiful. Are you standing him or thinking about breeding a mare?
dam's line has Canadian champion mare of the year
Laurie's dancer--
Won: Alabama S, Delaware Oaks, Canadian Oaks, Bison City S, Star Shoot S, Maple Leaf S 2nd: City Of St. James-Assiniboia H, Export H, Nassau S 3rd: Natalma S, Mazarine S, Manitoba Derby, Belle Mahone S, Milette H NTR Fe 9f 1:48.0
Horse of the Year and champion filly in Canada at 3.
Died of foaling complications in Mar 1991 at Margaux Stud, Ky.
skip a genereration--go to Willamae--
Won:
Mill Race H. 3rd: Barbara Fritchie H.(G3)
Dam of 9 winners, including G1 winners Will's Way and Will On The Move. Died 2000.
ation and come to Willamae
Won: Alabama S, Delaware Oaks, Canadian Oaks, Bison City S, Star Shoot S, Maple Leaf S 2nd: City Of St. James-Assiniboia H, Export H, Nassau S 3rd: Natalma S, Mazarine S, Manitoba Derby, Belle Mahone S, Milette H NTR Fe 9f 1:48.0
Horse of the Year and champion filly in Canada at 3.
Died of foaling complications in Mar 1991 at Margaux Stud, Ky.
skip a genereration--go to Willamae--
Won:
Mill Race H. 3rd: Barbara Fritchie H.(G3)
Dam of 9 winners, including G1 winners Will's Way and Will On The Move. Died 2000.
ation and come to Willamae
There are two stakes winners in that family named "Willa On The Move."
The one under Willamae
Copyright Bloodstock Research Information Services, Inc., 2007
WILLAMAE, 1980, Tentam- Raclette by Hoist The Flag.
YRS ST WN PL SH EARNED SR SSI
1985 WILLA ON THE MOVE,B,f,Assert (Ire) 2 13 6 3 2 442,063 31.21
North America 2 YO Record * 1 1 0 0 16,200
North America Dirt Sprints 3 2 1 0 50,978
North America Dirt Routes 10 4 2 2 391,085
North America Muddy/Sloppy 2 1 0 0 36,124
DP = 9-4-4-4-1 DI = 2.14 CD = 0.73 AWD = 7.67
At 3 Won Ashland S. -G1 (200,000), Caesar's Wish S. (R) -L (60,000), Gay
Matelda S. -L (50,000), Moccasin S. -L (50,000), Marshua S. (O)
(40,000), 2nd Spinster S. -G1 (250,000), Gazelle Handicap -G1
(100,000), New Hope S. (O) (25,000), 3rd Kentucky Oaks -G1 (200,000),
Alabama S. -G1 (200,000)
and the one under her daughter, Willa Joe (IRE)
Copyright Bloodstock Research Information Services, Inc., 2007
WILLA JOE (IRE), 1990, El Gran Senor- Willamae by Tentam.
YRS ST WN PL SH EARNED SR SSI
1993 Foal Died
1994 Willywonthe,B,c,Easy Goer Unraced
DP = 8-4-18-0-0 DI = 2.33 CD = 0.67
1995 Stylish Flight,B,c,Alleged
IN UNITED KINGDOM 1 1 0 0 0 0
DP = 8-7-13-1-3 DI = 2.05 CD = 0.50
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
KEESEP 1996 174 $120,000 $60,500 ylg ( 3/18) $25,000
1996 Miss Keyonna,Dkbbr,f,Septieme Ciel Unraced
DP = 8-2-9-1-0 DI = 2.64 CD = 0.85
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
KEESEP 1997 1609 $350,000 $37,235 ylg ( 1/34) $15,000
1997 Slipped
1998 Erin Moor,Gr/Ro,f,Holy Bull 3 17 2 4 2 130,566 ( 92) 2.70
North America 2 YO Record 5 2 0 0 57,552 ( 91)
North America Turf Record 2 0 0 0 0 ( 76)
North America Dirt Sprints 8 1 3 0 70,460 ( 92)
North America Dirt Routes 7 1 1 2 60,106 ( 91)
DP = 7-4-5-0-0 DI = 5.40 CD = 1.13 AWD = 7.50
At 3 2nd Cicada S. -G3 (103,100), 3rd Belair S. -L (52,671)
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
KEENOV 1998 1022 $145,000 $97,500 wlg ( 3/10) $25,000
FTFFEB 2000 0104 $250,000 $113,929 2yo ( 1/ 7) $25,000
1999 WILLA ON THE MOVE,Ch,f,Two Punch 2 12 6 3 0 363,940 (109) 12.07
North America Dirt Sprints 9 6 2 0 309,439 (109)
North America Dirt Routes 3 0 1 0 54,500 ( 96)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 1 1 0 0 64,559 (108)
DP = 14-6-11-1-0 DI = 3.92 CD = 1.03 AWD = 6.33
At 3 Won Politely S. (R) (O) (60,000), 2nd Acorn S. -G1 (250,000), Azalea
Breeders' Cup S. -G3 (196,750), Miss Preakness S. -G3 (100,000)
At 4 Won Honorable Miss Handicap -G3 (107,600), Maryland Million Distaff
Hcp. (R) (O) (95,000), Xtra Heat S. (R) (O) (65,550)
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
FTMOCT 2000 0242 $47,000 $79,807 ylg (18/30) $20,000
Makes me want to name a baby "Willa On The Move" just because
The one under Willamae
Copyright Bloodstock Research Information Services, Inc., 2007
WILLAMAE, 1980, Tentam- Raclette by Hoist The Flag.
YRS ST WN PL SH EARNED SR SSI
1985 WILLA ON THE MOVE,B,f,Assert (Ire) 2 13 6 3 2 442,063 31.21
North America 2 YO Record * 1 1 0 0 16,200
North America Dirt Sprints 3 2 1 0 50,978
North America Dirt Routes 10 4 2 2 391,085
North America Muddy/Sloppy 2 1 0 0 36,124
DP = 9-4-4-4-1 DI = 2.14 CD = 0.73 AWD = 7.67
At 3 Won Ashland S. -G1 (200,000), Caesar's Wish S. (R) -L (60,000), Gay
Matelda S. -L (50,000), Moccasin S. -L (50,000), Marshua S. (O)
(40,000), 2nd Spinster S. -G1 (250,000), Gazelle Handicap -G1
(100,000), New Hope S. (O) (25,000), 3rd Kentucky Oaks -G1 (200,000),
Alabama S. -G1 (200,000)
and the one under her daughter, Willa Joe (IRE)
Copyright Bloodstock Research Information Services, Inc., 2007
WILLA JOE (IRE), 1990, El Gran Senor- Willamae by Tentam.
YRS ST WN PL SH EARNED SR SSI
1993 Foal Died
1994 Willywonthe,B,c,Easy Goer Unraced
DP = 8-4-18-0-0 DI = 2.33 CD = 0.67
1995 Stylish Flight,B,c,Alleged
IN UNITED KINGDOM 1 1 0 0 0 0
DP = 8-7-13-1-3 DI = 2.05 CD = 0.50
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
KEESEP 1996 174 $120,000 $60,500 ylg ( 3/18) $25,000
1996 Miss Keyonna,Dkbbr,f,Septieme Ciel Unraced
DP = 8-2-9-1-0 DI = 2.64 CD = 0.85
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
KEESEP 1997 1609 $350,000 $37,235 ylg ( 1/34) $15,000
1997 Slipped
1998 Erin Moor,Gr/Ro,f,Holy Bull 3 17 2 4 2 130,566 ( 92) 2.70
North America 2 YO Record 5 2 0 0 57,552 ( 91)
North America Turf Record 2 0 0 0 0 ( 76)
North America Dirt Sprints 8 1 3 0 70,460 ( 92)
North America Dirt Routes 7 1 1 2 60,106 ( 91)
DP = 7-4-5-0-0 DI = 5.40 CD = 1.13 AWD = 7.50
At 3 2nd Cicada S. -G3 (103,100), 3rd Belair S. -L (52,671)
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
KEENOV 1998 1022 $145,000 $97,500 wlg ( 3/10) $25,000
FTFFEB 2000 0104 $250,000 $113,929 2yo ( 1/ 7) $25,000
1999 WILLA ON THE MOVE,Ch,f,Two Punch 2 12 6 3 0 363,940 (109) 12.07
North America Dirt Sprints 9 6 2 0 309,439 (109)
North America Dirt Routes 3 0 1 0 54,500 ( 96)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 1 1 0 0 64,559 (108)
DP = 14-6-11-1-0 DI = 3.92 CD = 1.03 AWD = 6.33
At 3 Won Politely S. (R) (O) (60,000), 2nd Acorn S. -G1 (250,000), Azalea
Breeders' Cup S. -G3 (196,750), Miss Preakness S. -G3 (100,000)
At 4 Won Honorable Miss Handicap -G3 (107,600), Maryland Million Distaff
Hcp. (R) (O) (95,000), Xtra Heat S. (R) (O) (65,550)
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
FTMOCT 2000 0242 $47,000 $79,807 ylg (18/30) $20,000
Makes me want to name a baby "Willa On The Move" just because
So Run for the Roses, as fast as you can.....
What would be your goal for the foal?
As far as race breeding, he started 5 times, 1-1-1 and earned under $25K, no stakes and he must have been running at a mediocre level ($30k or under). His high speed rating was 89. Certainly not stakes speed. In looking at his family, there are performers by Holy Bull, Two Punch, and others.
The three mares you asked about do not really match up all that well pedigree wise, there is nothing in the matings to jump up and down about - in my opinion. I know it is VERY late in the season, but perhaps you might look elsewhere.
As far as race breeding, he started 5 times, 1-1-1 and earned under $25K, no stakes and he must have been running at a mediocre level ($30k or under). His high speed rating was 89. Certainly not stakes speed. In looking at his family, there are performers by Holy Bull, Two Punch, and others.
The three mares you asked about do not really match up all that well pedigree wise, there is nothing in the matings to jump up and down about - in my opinion. I know it is VERY late in the season, but perhaps you might look elsewhere.
So Run for the Roses, as fast as you can.....
He was a 500,000 yearling that must have had some problems.madelyn wrote:What would be your goal for the foal?
As far as race breeding, he started 5 times, 1-1-1 and earned under $25K, no stakes and he must have been running at a mediocre level ($30k or under). His high speed rating was 89. Certainly not stakes speed. In looking at his family, there are performers by Holy Bull, Two Punch, and others.
The three mares you asked about do not really match up all that well pedigree wise, there is nothing in the matings to jump up and down about - in my opinion. I know it is VERY late in the season, but perhaps you might look elsewhere.
Actually, he sold for
2002 Evangelism,B,c,Pulpit 1 5 1 1 1 24,910 ( 89) 1.70
North America Turf Record 1 0 0 0 1,560 ( 82)
North America Dirt Sprints 2 0 1 0 6,020 ( 89)
North America Dirt Routes 2 1 0 1 17,330 ( 89)
DP = 10-3-9-0-0 DI = 3.89 CD = 1.05 AWD = 8.00
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
KEENOV 2002 0454 $270,000 $185,000 wlg ( 1/ 2) $40,000
KEESEP 2003 0004 $400,000 $172,958 ylg ( 2/24) $40,000
KEEAPR 2004 0018 $225,000 $817,500 2yo ( 5/ 6) $40,000
His problems might be related to being trained for a two year old in training sale, or he was just slow.
2002 Evangelism,B,c,Pulpit 1 5 1 1 1 24,910 ( 89) 1.70
North America Turf Record 1 0 0 0 1,560 ( 82)
North America Dirt Sprints 2 0 1 0 6,020 ( 89)
North America Dirt Routes 2 1 0 1 17,330 ( 89)
DP = 10-3-9-0-0 DI = 3.89 CD = 1.05 AWD = 8.00
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
KEENOV 2002 0454 $270,000 $185,000 wlg ( 1/ 2) $40,000
KEESEP 2003 0004 $400,000 $172,958 ylg ( 2/24) $40,000
KEEAPR 2004 0018 $225,000 $817,500 2yo ( 5/ 6) $40,000
His problems might be related to being trained for a two year old in training sale, or he was just slow.
So Run for the Roses, as fast as you can.....