Skip Trial stallion

[Gerry]

Since I am getting my new stallion in 2 weeks I am now looking for what mares will cross best with him for 2006. MARACAIBO is a 17h stakes winning son of Skip Trial out of Traki Traki...I dont expect him to be a big commercial stallion but hope he can do well as a regional sire with a limited # of foals. Since he will be 12 when he enters stud, I would like to breed the best that I can while he can.

Thanks

[kimberley mine]

Maracaibo's dam carries a strain of Myrtlewood not found in either Seattle Slew or Mr Prospector. Mares carrying Seattle Slew or Mr Prospector thus become an obvious linebreeding target to that blue hen mare.

Skip Trial himself has done absurdly well with Diplomat Way and Valid Appeal--two of his top three earners have Diplomat Way as a broodmare sire, and another pair of blacktype horses carrying Diplomat Way as the 2nd or 3rd broodmare sire. Diplomat Way is fairly rare now, so looking for mares carrying Valid Appeal and either Mr P or Seattle Slew may be a good place to start.

[Pete]

Hi Gerry and Kimberly,

Gerry, congratulations on your new sire.

Kimberly you're right on with the points that you make. I'd even be more general and expand past Valid Appeal to the In Reality line (in general) to tie Maracaibo's bottom line (Fair Play). Myrtlewood is a key selling point of this pedigree and I like her aspectation in Maracaibo's pedigree.

This stallion is a total outcross and completely free of Mr. Prospector and Northern Dancer. He's got over 61% unique ancestors through 9 generations - a very high figure:

Maracaibo has a fascinating pedigree that offers many lines prevalent in North American pedigrees but many from different sources.

Raise A Native and Myrtlewood through Bold Tactics.
Hoist The Flag and Lea Lane through True Colors.
Chance Play and Polynesian through Mo Power.
Double Jay through Fluoresee.

It's a pedigree with lots of Fair Play, Teddy and Domino (especially through the deeply inbred Ultimus 2x2 Domino), thus an assumption that In Reality line will work.

Gerry, in your situation I am presuming that you need to be able to breed to any mare you can to accumulate numbers but I'd be surprised if you couldn't offer a strong sales pitch on sound pedigree basis to any mare presented to you (that aren't siblings or heavy Damascus. Most of his matings should end up as outcrosses.

Kimberly's point about Myrtlewood is VERY important. Seattle Slew and Mr. Prospector in the mare will be welcome and because of the aspectation of Myrtlewood in Maracaibo, you can present a case for SS and Mr. P anywhere in a pedigree (top or bottom).

Kimberly's point about Diplomat Way is clearly illustrated in the pedigrees of his half sisters by Frosty The Snowman, Frosty's Girl and Frosty's On Track). Diplomat Way is a son of Nashua who is also the broodmare sir of Mr. Prospector and Roberto. The sisters pedigrees leverage Hoist THe Flag (Ribot) in a elegant outcross pedigree with only a 5x5 Princequillo (often an implied affinity for Ribot). Thus the Nashua in Mr. Prospector may be an implied affifnity for Maracaibo.

In selecting mares for yourself, I'd look more towards phenotype than pedigree. Don't reinforce his physical problems in the mares. I'd get his race record and speak to as many people as possible who dealt with him during his racing career. 33 races in 7 years makes me suspect that he raced with some infirmities. His dam is getting good race horses in a coalescing pattern - that's good.

Best of luck with Maracaibo.

Regards,

Pete

[kimberley mine]

One more thing to consider: Firetop.

Skip Trial, Nijinsky II, and The Minstrel are all from the Firetop family. Firetop presents an intriguing linebreeding target, and all the more so because of Double Jay.

Double Jay crossed with Firetop (not always directly) has produced the following Big Horses (that I could find easily):

Champion Doubledogdare (Double Jay x Flaming Top)
Champion Ferdinand (Nijinsky II over Double Jay)
Champion Sky Classic (Nijinsky II over Nodouble)
Champion Shadeed (Nijinsky II, Double Jay as 3rd BMS)
G1 Colonial Affair (Pleasant Colony over Nijinsky II)
G1 Cherokee Colony (Pleasant Colony over Nijinsky II)
G2 Colonial Minstrel (Pleasant Colony over The Minstrel)
L Olamic (Nijinsky II, Double Jay as 2nd BMS)
L Top Double (Double Jay x Flaming Top)
L Toward (Bagdad x Way to Go, a daughter of Flaming Top)

I would add mares carrying Nijinsky II, The Minstrel, and their sons to the list.

Damascus has done reasonably well with both sires, and Skip Trial has a stakes winner out of a The Mistrel mare.

[Pete]

Hi Kimberly,

I don't disagree with what you're saying but I think it's importance is as a selling tool for Gerry.

The open pedigree of Maracaibo makes almost any mare a possibility and what you're saying is something to talk to the mare owner about.

I'd also use the solid record of Skip Trial and Skip Away as a selling tool too Gerry.

Pete

[kimberley mine]

Hi Kimberly,

I don't disagree with what you're saying but I think it's importance is as a selling tool for Gerry.
Pete

That is exactly what I was trying to do, however inelegantly put.

[Pete]

Hi Kimberly,

You were elegant AND pointed in the presentation of your research. I really only moderated.

Regards,

Pete

[Gerry]

Kimberly and Pete,

Thank you both for your help. I am digesting everything you both have given me and going thru the pedigrees of the mares that are already here at the farm and others that I have seen for sale.

Maracaibo's race record is quite intriguing and I dont know what the trainer and/or owner had in mind for him. He picked up a check in most of his races but he raced up and down the eastern seaboard. He won at Aqueduct, Saratoga, Delaware Park, Tampa, Rockingham, and Suffolk. I do know that he now suffers from an ankle issue but I dont know if that always was a problem or just when they tried to bring him back to the races in 2003 at Philly Park.

I have alot more research to do luckily the breeding season wont start for him for another 8 months so can find that compliment him nicely.

Thank you for your kind words.

[myheartsezyes]

Since I am getting my new stallion in 2 weeks I am now looking for what mares will cross best with him for 2006. MARACAIBO is a 17h stakes winning son of Skip Trial out of Traki Traki...I dont expect him to be a big commercial stallion but hope he can do well as a regional sire with a limited # of foals. Since he will be 12 when he enters stud, I would like to breed the best that I can while he can.

Thanks

You are going to think I am crazy Maraciabo is my boy, I have his shoe hanging over my bed as well as his blinkers. I cried the day I found out Our Farm sold him for 10,000 after we sold him for a thousand as a stallion. I was the assistant trainer to allen Iwinski at the time and I had to take care of him because all the grooms were scared of him. I still have his video when he finished 3rd in the stake. Please I am so glad you saved him from being euthanized. (If you are the same person) Please email me at [email protected] I have some photo's to share with you. He will do fine as a regional sire don't you worry. I will help you advertise.
Thanks Stacy

[myheartsezyes]

Hi Gerry and Kimberly,

Gerry, congratulations on your new sire.

Kimberly you're right on with the points that you make. I'd even be more general and expand past Valid Appeal to the In Reality line (in general) to tie Maracaibo's bottom line (Fair Play). Myrtlewood is a key selling point of this pedigree and I like her aspectation in Maracaibo's pedigree.

This stallion is a total outcross and completely free of Mr. Prospector and Northern Dancer. He's got over 61% unique ancestors through 9 generations - a very high figure:

Maracaibo has a fascinating pedigree that offers many lines prevalent in North American pedigrees but many from different sources.

Raise A Native and Myrtlewood through Bold Tactics.
Hoist The Flag and Lea Lane through True Colors.
Chance Play and Polynesian through Mo Power.
Double Jay through Fluoresee.

It's a pedigree with lots of Fair Play, Teddy and Domino (especially through the deeply inbred Ultimus 2x2 Domino), thus an assumption that In Reality line will work.

Gerry, in your situation I am presuming that you need to be able to breed to any mare you can to accumulate numbers but I'd be surprised if you couldn't offer a strong sales pitch on sound pedigree basis to any mare presented to you (that aren't siblings or heavy Damascus. Most of his matings should end up as outcrosses.

Kimberly's point about Myrtlewood is VERY important. Seattle Slew and Mr. Prospector in the mare will be welcome and because of the aspectation of Myrtlewood in Maracaibo, you can present a case for SS and Mr. P anywhere in a pedigree (top or bottom).

Kimberly's point about Diplomat Way is clearly illustrated in the pedigrees of his half sisters by Frosty The Snowman, Frosty's Girl and Frosty's On Track). Diplomat Way is a son of Nashua who is also the broodmare sir of Mr. Prospector and Roberto. The sisters pedigrees leverage Hoist THe Flag (Ribot) in a elegant outcross pedigree with only a 5x5 Princequillo (often an implied affinity for Ribot). Thus the Nashua in Mr. Prospector may be an implied affifnity for Maracaibo.

In selecting mares for yourself, I'd look more towards phenotype than pedigree. Don't reinforce his physical problems in the mares. I'd get his race record and speak to as many people as possible who dealt with him during his racing career. 33 races in 7 years makes me suspect that he raced with some infirmities. His dam is getting good race horses in a coalescing pattern - that's good.

Best of luck with Maracaibo.

Regards,

Pete

I agree I am your best bet and I would be happy to tell you everything I know about my big man, his racing infirmities where no fault of his own he was pushed to much

[myheartsezyes]

Kimberly and Pete,

Thank you both for your help. I am digesting everything you both have given me and going thru the pedigrees of the mares that are already here at the farm and others that I have seen for sale.

Maracaibo's race record is quite intriguing and I dont know what the trainer and/or owner had in mind for him. He picked up a check in most of his races but he raced up and down the eastern seaboard. He won at Aqueduct, Saratoga, Delaware Park, Tampa, Rockingham, and Suffolk. I do know that he now suffers from an ankle issue but I dont know if that always was a problem or just when they tried to bring him back to the races in 2003 at Philly Park.

I have alot more research to do luckily the breeding season wont start for him for another 8 months so can find that compliment him nicely.

Thank you for your kind words.

Let me stress to you when they tried to bring him back to the races at Philly, he was retired by us. The owner of Our Farm was dying and was dispurssing his farm. I was disgusted that he had sold him for 10,000. When I heard he was almost euthanized until someone saved him just before that fate. He blew his suspensory and I mean blew, he is a very big horse he had a lot of time off for that. His best days after the orginal injury where with our stable in Aquadut. Can you nick this mare Fly with Sunny because if they nick I am making a trip to New York lol.... email me any time I have some photo's for you.

[doublete]

myheartzeyez- I've seen his race record, can you explain the scattered geographics as well as the long layoffs sometimes?
I'm just curious because to me they are odd, but whoever trained him was decent cuz when they did bring him back he'd win.

[Gerry]

myheartsezyes, doublete et al...Maracaibo is home and relaxing in his new stall. I was not the one who rescued him and nursed him back to health for the last 18 months---those saints are Jim Noble and Faye (sorry I dont know her last name) and they really love this horse. It took me nearly 3 hours to get him this afternoon because they really really care about him and wanted to make sure that I knew how to treat every possible problem that may come up in his ankle. I wish there were more people like Jim and Faye out there.

My and Double..I have sent you both emails and will have pictures tomorrow. My ANY info you can share on this boy would be welcomed, like Doublete said we went over his race record and found them odd and interesting. So any insight would be helpful.

As for me I have been driving and/or traveling to bring the new "man" home for 15 hours and I need to get some sleep. Please forgive me if any part of this message doesnt make sense.

[Green Hills]

Congrats on the new boy!! What a lucky boy he is to have found such caring people.

[myheartsezyes]

myheartzeyez- I've seen his race record, can you explain the scattered geographics as well as the long layoffs sometimes?
I'm just curious because to me they are odd, but whoever trained him was decent cuz when they did bring him back he'd win.

Yes, sure I will be happy too. My former boss and friend Allen Iwinski trained him. The scattered geographics is due to have a big stable, we had 55 horses in Delaware, 30 Stalls in Momouth and 20 at Philadelphia the time Kye was running. Kye loved New York. He had long lay offs because of his injury. As, I stated before Allen retired him to Our Farm as a stallion and when the farm owner was dying of Cancer he dispursed his farm and sold kye for 10,000 I believe to a trainer at Phili. His 2nd race he broke down and was going to be Euthanized but a fellow trainer saved him. And you will have to ask Gerry for the rest of the story.