I am a co-owner of Pride of New York, a young stallion standing his first season in Ontario, Canada. His pedigree is on this site. I would be interested in knowing what bloodlines you would look for, if you were wanting to maximize his breeding potential. Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
Don Baker
Pride of New York -- Bloodlines to look for...
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I would look for bloodlines that contain Nasrullah
I would look to line breed Nasrullah blood lines and blood that contains Great Above, Mr. Prospector, Roberto, Alydar, Sassafras, Green Dancer, Proudest Roman and so on. I would recommend mares by Holy Bull, Is It True, Yes Its True, Homebulider, Saros, Septieme Ciel, Hawkster, War Chant, Saratoga Six, Summer Squall, Charismatic, Malibu Moon, Safe in the USA, and Real Quiet to name a few. I would also consider Capote or Matty G. mares to line breed on Too Bald. Dayjur mares may be an interesting cross with the speed of Gold Beauty and she crossed well with Nijinsky II and Blushing Groom bloodlines. Entropy mares would also be an intersting cross where he is by What a Pleasure and out of Ta Wee. I would also consider Marfa mares.
Keith
Keith
Hi Don,
I second Henthorn's welcome. Good luck with your new stallion.
Did you race him or did the Bromans (I saw Chester and Mary at a seminar today in Hyde Park). Do you know how he got hurt? Can you give a physical description of him (faults and all)?
I've done a lot of racing in Canada, mostly at the Fort, winning the 2001 Centre Stage Anne with Tsakpina. I'm familiar with bloodlines and about 1 year stale in my knowledge of mares on the track.
Mt. Livermore is a solid sire, but more of an enigma for his get in the breeding shed. Peaks And Valleys and Housebuster might shed some light but I think you'll find that you have a wealth of blood that will prove to have affinity with your stallion in Canada.
Gainesway looked for Raise A Native in the mares bred to Mt. Livermore. Livermore was best out crossed unless you could get Nasrullah 4x4 but he had some flexibility, however he didn't cross well with Mr. Prospector directly and liked Green Dancer best of Northern Dancer's sons.
These things are helpful but without much meaning unless Pride Of New York has inherited the affinities from his father. Pride Of New York is 4x5 Nasrullah, as was Housebuster and Peaks And Valleys. I'm certain that you're aware that PONY (hmm - nice acronym) second dam La Chaposa was a fine race mare and the dam of You And I. There may be some help in looking at You And I and we find that his wonderful daughter You is by a daughter of Housebuster (a subverted son of Mr. Prospector).
There are three sires that are represented in abundance in Canada that I'd look to as the main sources of blood to breed to Pride Of New York; Bold Ruckus, Vice Regent (especially Silver Deputy but he's getting pricey), Sea Wall and Briartic. There are other stallions whose daughters should be in abundance and have value in a mating with PONY when their dam side fits; Barbeau, Dom Alaric, Tethra, War Deputy, Geiger Counter and Matter Of Honor . Frankly, I believe PONY fits far better with the mare base you have in Canada than in the States.
I'm not going to go into a lot of detail why like these stallions, but I'll list some of the benefits that they bring to a mating. I'd suggest simply taking the mares/fillies from these stallions (and lines) that you see - even at the Fort and hypo mating them with PONY and I believe you'll find that they are mostly solid outcrosses that leverage blood that's proven and probably affinitive.
If you read my posts about aggression, I DO feel that it is a component in understanding Mt. Livermore and breeding to his line. Livermore wasn't particularly successful with mares with Mr. Prospector close. That may change with PONY (or as the generations remove from Prospector and Livermore) but on the whole I'd look for weaker influences of Mr. P or where Mr. P. is in subverted form (dam side). Don't look to inbreed PONY on a regular basis. You may want to play with one or two inbreeds, but I don't think you'll get any bang for you buck with this tactic.
Silver Deputy is a marvelous broodmare sire already. He has Mr. Prospector (subverted) and brings a return of Too Bald. Look at the hypo mating of PONY / Silvery Bay. Silver Deputy is so special that I'd use about any mares from him that I could, but if I could be choosy, I'd want ones that were sound (PONY 2 races, Silver Deputy 2 races).
Bold Ruckus leverages the affinity for Nasrullah. I'd use his sons too, especially Bold N' Flashy. Bold Ruckus line is a solid choice since his dam is by Raise A Native. They'll bring some soundness too.
My ill fated mare Vice Coolo is a nice example of a hypo mating for PONY with a Bold N' Flashy mare.
Sea Wall is rather obvious. I'd want the dam side to contain some aggression - like Mr. Prospector. Sea Wall's a half brother to Mt. Sassafrass, one of Mt. Livermore's best.
Vice Regent tends to be a sire line that can catch affinities one generation behind other Northern Dancer sires. War Deputy could be a good choice too. Hypo mate PONY with Tsakpina as an example.
For Briartic hypo mate Big Julie (a west coast Canadian SW who sold for only $6,000 a few years ago).
You might even try daughters of Dance Brightly (he's a subverted son of Mr. P).
I can't comment on physical requirements for PONY without knowing more about him, but I think you have a rich mare base that can be acquired inexpensively and may well help prove your stallion.
Regards,
Pete
I second Henthorn's welcome. Good luck with your new stallion.
Did you race him or did the Bromans (I saw Chester and Mary at a seminar today in Hyde Park). Do you know how he got hurt? Can you give a physical description of him (faults and all)?
I've done a lot of racing in Canada, mostly at the Fort, winning the 2001 Centre Stage Anne with Tsakpina. I'm familiar with bloodlines and about 1 year stale in my knowledge of mares on the track.
Mt. Livermore is a solid sire, but more of an enigma for his get in the breeding shed. Peaks And Valleys and Housebuster might shed some light but I think you'll find that you have a wealth of blood that will prove to have affinity with your stallion in Canada.
Gainesway looked for Raise A Native in the mares bred to Mt. Livermore. Livermore was best out crossed unless you could get Nasrullah 4x4 but he had some flexibility, however he didn't cross well with Mr. Prospector directly and liked Green Dancer best of Northern Dancer's sons.
These things are helpful but without much meaning unless Pride Of New York has inherited the affinities from his father. Pride Of New York is 4x5 Nasrullah, as was Housebuster and Peaks And Valleys. I'm certain that you're aware that PONY (hmm - nice acronym) second dam La Chaposa was a fine race mare and the dam of You And I. There may be some help in looking at You And I and we find that his wonderful daughter You is by a daughter of Housebuster (a subverted son of Mr. Prospector).
There are three sires that are represented in abundance in Canada that I'd look to as the main sources of blood to breed to Pride Of New York; Bold Ruckus, Vice Regent (especially Silver Deputy but he's getting pricey), Sea Wall and Briartic. There are other stallions whose daughters should be in abundance and have value in a mating with PONY when their dam side fits; Barbeau, Dom Alaric, Tethra, War Deputy, Geiger Counter and Matter Of Honor . Frankly, I believe PONY fits far better with the mare base you have in Canada than in the States.
I'm not going to go into a lot of detail why like these stallions, but I'll list some of the benefits that they bring to a mating. I'd suggest simply taking the mares/fillies from these stallions (and lines) that you see - even at the Fort and hypo mating them with PONY and I believe you'll find that they are mostly solid outcrosses that leverage blood that's proven and probably affinitive.
If you read my posts about aggression, I DO feel that it is a component in understanding Mt. Livermore and breeding to his line. Livermore wasn't particularly successful with mares with Mr. Prospector close. That may change with PONY (or as the generations remove from Prospector and Livermore) but on the whole I'd look for weaker influences of Mr. P or where Mr. P. is in subverted form (dam side). Don't look to inbreed PONY on a regular basis. You may want to play with one or two inbreeds, but I don't think you'll get any bang for you buck with this tactic.
Silver Deputy is a marvelous broodmare sire already. He has Mr. Prospector (subverted) and brings a return of Too Bald. Look at the hypo mating of PONY / Silvery Bay. Silver Deputy is so special that I'd use about any mares from him that I could, but if I could be choosy, I'd want ones that were sound (PONY 2 races, Silver Deputy 2 races).
Bold Ruckus leverages the affinity for Nasrullah. I'd use his sons too, especially Bold N' Flashy. Bold Ruckus line is a solid choice since his dam is by Raise A Native. They'll bring some soundness too.
My ill fated mare Vice Coolo is a nice example of a hypo mating for PONY with a Bold N' Flashy mare.
Sea Wall is rather obvious. I'd want the dam side to contain some aggression - like Mr. Prospector. Sea Wall's a half brother to Mt. Sassafrass, one of Mt. Livermore's best.
Vice Regent tends to be a sire line that can catch affinities one generation behind other Northern Dancer sires. War Deputy could be a good choice too. Hypo mate PONY with Tsakpina as an example.
For Briartic hypo mate Big Julie (a west coast Canadian SW who sold for only $6,000 a few years ago).
You might even try daughters of Dance Brightly (he's a subverted son of Mr. P).
I can't comment on physical requirements for PONY without knowing more about him, but I think you have a rich mare base that can be acquired inexpensively and may well help prove your stallion.
Regards,
Pete
Here are some successful crosses
1. Great Above
Housebuster by Mt. Livermore-Big Dreams by Great Above Champipn Sprinter twice 4x5 Nasrullah
Parlay by Mt. Livermore-Sister Aggie by Great Above won Distaff H.-Gr. II
Frisco View by Mt. Livermore-Heaven's Nook by Great Above 2nd dam by Buckfinder won Breeder's Cup Sprint Championship-Gr. II
Higher World by Peaks and Valleys-Sarahs World by Holy Bull won Mazarine Breeder's Cup S.
2. Alydar
Mountain Angel by Mt. Livermore-All an Angel by Alydar 2nd dam by Vice Regent Champion Older mare in Canada
Dollar Bill by Peaks and Valleys-Saratoga Dame by Saratoga Six 2nd dam by Sir Ivor
3. Sassafras
Mt. Sassafras by Mt. Livermore-Charming Sassafras by Sassafras 2nd dam by Ruritiana Horse of the Year in Canada
Hoovergetthekeys by Mt. Livermore-Desert Orchid by Saros(son of Sassafras) 2nd dam by Ruthies Native won Golden Gate Derby
4. Proudest Roman
Greek Costume by Mt. Livermore-Toga by Proudest Roman 2nd dam by Native Royalty won Jersey Derby 4x4x5x5 Nasrullah
Pyramid Peak by Mt. Livermore- Way It Should Be by Stalwart 2nd dam by Proudest Roman won Flamingo S. 4x5 Never Bend 4x5 Nasrullah
5. Crafty Prospector
Lucky Lionel by Mt. Livermore-Crafty Nan by Crafty Prospector 2nd dam by Blakney Won Prix Robert Papin - Fr (Gr.II)
Secret Liason by Housebuster-Pennant Winner by Crafty Prospector 2nd dam by Bold Forbes won Rancho Benardo H. - Gr. III
6. Green Dancer
Peaks and Valleys by Mt. Livermore-Strike a Balance by Green Dancer 2nd dam by Iron Ruler Horse of the Year in Canada 4x5 Nasrullah 4x5 Spy Song 5x5 Nearco
More Royal by Mt. Livermore-Royal Run by Wavering Monarch 2nd dam by Green Dancer won Jersey Derby 4x4 Aimee
7. Cox's Ridge
Orientate by Mt. Livermore-Dream Team by Cox's Ridge 2nd dam by Likely Double Champion Sprinter Breeder's Cup Sprint
Fox Mountain by Mt. Livermore-Foxy Ride by Cox's Ridge 2nd dam by Forward Pass won $500,000
8. Roberto -Influence on Pride of New Yorks pedigree
Electronic Unicorn by Housebuster-Lilac Garden by Roberto 2nd dam by Nijinsky II won $3.84 million
You and I-La Chaposa by Ups 2nd dam by Nyangal won $701,235 Metropolitan H.
You by You and I-Our Dani by Homebuilder 2nd dam by Briartic 5x5 Nashua won Acorn S., Santa Anita Oaks
Mares by these sires may be decent crosses
1. Saros by Sassafras
2. Iza Saros by Saros-Iza Valentine by Bicker won Silver Screen H.-Gr. II Brother to Fran's Valentine the dam of With Anticipation
3. Saratoga Six by Alydar-Priceless Fame by Irish Castle broodmare sire of Dollar Bill
4. Crafty Prospector by Mr. Prospector-Real Crafty Lady by In Reality broodmare sire of Lucky Lionel and Secret Liason
5. Partner's Hero by Danzig-Safely Kept by Horatius(son of Proudest Roman)
6. Holy Bull by Great Above-Sharon Brown by Al Hattab broodmare sire of Higher World by Peaks and Valleys-Sarahs World by Holy Bull won Mazarine Breeder's Cup S.
7. Is It True by Raja Baba-Roman Rockette by Proudest Roman 3x4 Nasrullah
8. War Chant by Kris S.- Hollywood Wildcat by Kris S. 2nd dam by Mr. Prospector
9. Arch by Kris S.-Aurora by Danzig 2nd dam Althea 3rd dam Courtly Dee by Never Bend
10. Menifee by Harlan-Anne Campbell by Never Bend Half brother to Desert Wine the broodmare sire of Subordination
11. Twining by Forty Niner-Courtly Dee by Never Bend 3x5x5 Nasrullah and half brother to Althea.
12. Matty G. by Capote-Star Gem by Pia Star Half brother to Star of Cozzene and J. F. Williams grandson of Too Bald and 4x4 Nasrullah
13. Smart Strike by Mr. Prospector-Classy 'n Smart by Smarten 4x5 Nasrullah half brother to Dance Smartly
14. Benchmark by Alydar-Winter's Love by Danzig
15. Acceptable by Capote- Ms. Teakwood by Woodman
16. Alysheba by Alydar-Bel Sheba by Lt. Stevens 4x4 Nasrullah
17. Mercedes One by Air Forbes Won-Bye Bye Mercedes by Roman Line
18. Dayjur by Danzig-Gold Beauty by Mr. Prospector
19. Hawkster by Silver Hawk-Strait Lane by Chieftain 4x5 Nasrullah
20. Grand Slam by Gone West-Bright Candles by El Gran Senor 5x5 Bold Ruler
21. Western Borders by Gone West-Ruby Green by J.O. Tobin 4x5x5 Nasrullah
22. Bold Ruckus by Boldnesian-Raise a Ruckus by Raise a Native Great grandson of Nasrullah
23. Beau Genius by Bold Ruckus-Royal Colleen by Viceregal
24. Concorde Bound by Super Concorde-Grey Sister by Iron Ruler
25. Alomas Ruler by Iron Ruler-Aloma by Native Charger
26. General Assembly by Secretariat-Exclusive Dancer by Native Dancer
27. Spectacular Bid by Bold Bidder-Spectacular by Promised Land
28. Wild Event by Wild Again-North of Eden by Northfields 2nd dam by Sassafras
29. Paradise Creek by Irish River-North of Eden by Northfields 2nd dam by Sassafras
30. Sultry Song by Cox's Ridge-Sultry Sun by Buckfinder
31. Vanlandingham by Cox's Ridge-Populi by Star Envoy
32. Out of Place by Cox's Ridge-Arabian Dancer by Damascus
33. Skip Away by Skip Trial-Ingot Way by Diplomat Way 2nd dam by Iron Ruler 4x5 Nasrullah
34. Cox's Ridge by Best Turn-Our Martha by Ballydonnell
35. Palace Music by The Minstrel-Come my Prince by Prince John to line breed on Flaming Page 5x5
36. Opening Verse by The Minstrel-Shy Dawn by Grey Dawn II to line breed on Flaming Page 5x5
37. Tejano Run by Tejano-Royal Run by Wavering Monarch half brother to More Royal who is by Mt. Livermore and linebreed and would line breed Aimee 5x6
38. Simply Majestic by Majestic Light-Beaming Bride by King Emperor line breed on Aimee 5x5
39. Husband by Diesis-Beaming Bride by King Emperor line breed on Aimee 5x5
40. Alwuhush by Nureyev-Beaming Bride by King Emperor line breed on Aimee 5x5
41. Entropy by What a Pleasure-Ta Wee by Intentionally
42. Great Above by Minnesota Mac-Ta Wee by Aspidistra
43. Conte di Savoya by Sovereign Dancer-Funistrada by Fappiano 2nd dam by Minnesota Mac the sire of Great Above
44. Give Me Strength by Exclusive Native-Katonka by Minnesota Mac 2nd dam by Chieftain
I feel line breeding Too Bald would give you a heavy influence of Nasrullah which has done well crossed with Mt. Livermore. I guess I would lean away from Seattle Slew because it has had not much success crossed with Mt. Livermore other than Compassionate who is by Housebuster and out of Adored. I would try Matty G. who by Capote and is is out of a great mare and has been a good sire. I would go for mares that contain the blood of Great Above.
Keith
Housebuster by Mt. Livermore-Big Dreams by Great Above Champipn Sprinter twice 4x5 Nasrullah
Parlay by Mt. Livermore-Sister Aggie by Great Above won Distaff H.-Gr. II
Frisco View by Mt. Livermore-Heaven's Nook by Great Above 2nd dam by Buckfinder won Breeder's Cup Sprint Championship-Gr. II
Higher World by Peaks and Valleys-Sarahs World by Holy Bull won Mazarine Breeder's Cup S.
2. Alydar
Mountain Angel by Mt. Livermore-All an Angel by Alydar 2nd dam by Vice Regent Champion Older mare in Canada
Dollar Bill by Peaks and Valleys-Saratoga Dame by Saratoga Six 2nd dam by Sir Ivor
3. Sassafras
Mt. Sassafras by Mt. Livermore-Charming Sassafras by Sassafras 2nd dam by Ruritiana Horse of the Year in Canada
Hoovergetthekeys by Mt. Livermore-Desert Orchid by Saros(son of Sassafras) 2nd dam by Ruthies Native won Golden Gate Derby
4. Proudest Roman
Greek Costume by Mt. Livermore-Toga by Proudest Roman 2nd dam by Native Royalty won Jersey Derby 4x4x5x5 Nasrullah
Pyramid Peak by Mt. Livermore- Way It Should Be by Stalwart 2nd dam by Proudest Roman won Flamingo S. 4x5 Never Bend 4x5 Nasrullah
5. Crafty Prospector
Lucky Lionel by Mt. Livermore-Crafty Nan by Crafty Prospector 2nd dam by Blakney Won Prix Robert Papin - Fr (Gr.II)
Secret Liason by Housebuster-Pennant Winner by Crafty Prospector 2nd dam by Bold Forbes won Rancho Benardo H. - Gr. III
6. Green Dancer
Peaks and Valleys by Mt. Livermore-Strike a Balance by Green Dancer 2nd dam by Iron Ruler Horse of the Year in Canada 4x5 Nasrullah 4x5 Spy Song 5x5 Nearco
More Royal by Mt. Livermore-Royal Run by Wavering Monarch 2nd dam by Green Dancer won Jersey Derby 4x4 Aimee
7. Cox's Ridge
Orientate by Mt. Livermore-Dream Team by Cox's Ridge 2nd dam by Likely Double Champion Sprinter Breeder's Cup Sprint
Fox Mountain by Mt. Livermore-Foxy Ride by Cox's Ridge 2nd dam by Forward Pass won $500,000
8. Roberto -Influence on Pride of New Yorks pedigree
Electronic Unicorn by Housebuster-Lilac Garden by Roberto 2nd dam by Nijinsky II won $3.84 million
You and I-La Chaposa by Ups 2nd dam by Nyangal won $701,235 Metropolitan H.
You by You and I-Our Dani by Homebuilder 2nd dam by Briartic 5x5 Nashua won Acorn S., Santa Anita Oaks
Mares by these sires may be decent crosses
1. Saros by Sassafras
2. Iza Saros by Saros-Iza Valentine by Bicker won Silver Screen H.-Gr. II Brother to Fran's Valentine the dam of With Anticipation
3. Saratoga Six by Alydar-Priceless Fame by Irish Castle broodmare sire of Dollar Bill
4. Crafty Prospector by Mr. Prospector-Real Crafty Lady by In Reality broodmare sire of Lucky Lionel and Secret Liason
5. Partner's Hero by Danzig-Safely Kept by Horatius(son of Proudest Roman)
6. Holy Bull by Great Above-Sharon Brown by Al Hattab broodmare sire of Higher World by Peaks and Valleys-Sarahs World by Holy Bull won Mazarine Breeder's Cup S.
7. Is It True by Raja Baba-Roman Rockette by Proudest Roman 3x4 Nasrullah
8. War Chant by Kris S.- Hollywood Wildcat by Kris S. 2nd dam by Mr. Prospector
9. Arch by Kris S.-Aurora by Danzig 2nd dam Althea 3rd dam Courtly Dee by Never Bend
10. Menifee by Harlan-Anne Campbell by Never Bend Half brother to Desert Wine the broodmare sire of Subordination
11. Twining by Forty Niner-Courtly Dee by Never Bend 3x5x5 Nasrullah and half brother to Althea.
12. Matty G. by Capote-Star Gem by Pia Star Half brother to Star of Cozzene and J. F. Williams grandson of Too Bald and 4x4 Nasrullah
13. Smart Strike by Mr. Prospector-Classy 'n Smart by Smarten 4x5 Nasrullah half brother to Dance Smartly
14. Benchmark by Alydar-Winter's Love by Danzig
15. Acceptable by Capote- Ms. Teakwood by Woodman
16. Alysheba by Alydar-Bel Sheba by Lt. Stevens 4x4 Nasrullah
17. Mercedes One by Air Forbes Won-Bye Bye Mercedes by Roman Line
18. Dayjur by Danzig-Gold Beauty by Mr. Prospector
19. Hawkster by Silver Hawk-Strait Lane by Chieftain 4x5 Nasrullah
20. Grand Slam by Gone West-Bright Candles by El Gran Senor 5x5 Bold Ruler
21. Western Borders by Gone West-Ruby Green by J.O. Tobin 4x5x5 Nasrullah
22. Bold Ruckus by Boldnesian-Raise a Ruckus by Raise a Native Great grandson of Nasrullah
23. Beau Genius by Bold Ruckus-Royal Colleen by Viceregal
24. Concorde Bound by Super Concorde-Grey Sister by Iron Ruler
25. Alomas Ruler by Iron Ruler-Aloma by Native Charger
26. General Assembly by Secretariat-Exclusive Dancer by Native Dancer
27. Spectacular Bid by Bold Bidder-Spectacular by Promised Land
28. Wild Event by Wild Again-North of Eden by Northfields 2nd dam by Sassafras
29. Paradise Creek by Irish River-North of Eden by Northfields 2nd dam by Sassafras
30. Sultry Song by Cox's Ridge-Sultry Sun by Buckfinder
31. Vanlandingham by Cox's Ridge-Populi by Star Envoy
32. Out of Place by Cox's Ridge-Arabian Dancer by Damascus
33. Skip Away by Skip Trial-Ingot Way by Diplomat Way 2nd dam by Iron Ruler 4x5 Nasrullah
34. Cox's Ridge by Best Turn-Our Martha by Ballydonnell
35. Palace Music by The Minstrel-Come my Prince by Prince John to line breed on Flaming Page 5x5
36. Opening Verse by The Minstrel-Shy Dawn by Grey Dawn II to line breed on Flaming Page 5x5
37. Tejano Run by Tejano-Royal Run by Wavering Monarch half brother to More Royal who is by Mt. Livermore and linebreed and would line breed Aimee 5x6
38. Simply Majestic by Majestic Light-Beaming Bride by King Emperor line breed on Aimee 5x5
39. Husband by Diesis-Beaming Bride by King Emperor line breed on Aimee 5x5
40. Alwuhush by Nureyev-Beaming Bride by King Emperor line breed on Aimee 5x5
41. Entropy by What a Pleasure-Ta Wee by Intentionally
42. Great Above by Minnesota Mac-Ta Wee by Aspidistra
43. Conte di Savoya by Sovereign Dancer-Funistrada by Fappiano 2nd dam by Minnesota Mac the sire of Great Above
44. Give Me Strength by Exclusive Native-Katonka by Minnesota Mac 2nd dam by Chieftain
I feel line breeding Too Bald would give you a heavy influence of Nasrullah which has done well crossed with Mt. Livermore. I guess I would lean away from Seattle Slew because it has had not much success crossed with Mt. Livermore other than Compassionate who is by Housebuster and out of Adored. I would try Matty G. who by Capote and is is out of a great mare and has been a good sire. I would go for mares that contain the blood of Great Above.
Keith
Hi Keith,
Remember, the idea is to narrow a list of candidates.
Pride Of New York will be standing in Canada and Don will need to get his mares (outside ones at least) from the base there. Few of the stallions you mention are abundant in Canada.
I also think you might want to narrow your search. You're including horses that have little to offer other than a distant (4-5 generation) potential to double. Many on your list offer distant inherited affinities, and the further from the source the lesslikely they are to retain their affinity.
You can get an idea of the blood that's shaped Canadian racing in the pedigree of Vice Regent.
Regards,
Pete
Remember, the idea is to narrow a list of candidates.
Pride Of New York will be standing in Canada and Don will need to get his mares (outside ones at least) from the base there. Few of the stallions you mention are abundant in Canada.
I also think you might want to narrow your search. You're including horses that have little to offer other than a distant (4-5 generation) potential to double. Many on your list offer distant inherited affinities, and the further from the source the lesslikely they are to retain their affinity.
You can get an idea of the blood that's shaped Canadian racing in the pedigree of Vice Regent.
Regards,
Pete
Narrow down the list
Here is a short list of broodmare sires I would recommend
1. Holy Bull by Great Above-Sharon Brown by AL Hattab
2. Crafty Prospector by Mr. Prospector-Real Crafty Lady by In Reality
3. Saratoga Six by Alydar-Priceless Fame by Irish Castle
4. Benchmark by Alydar-Winter's Love by Danzig
5. Is It True by Raja Baba-Roman Rockette by Proudest Roman
6. Marquetry by Conquistador Cielo-Regent's Walk by Vice Regent
7. Real Quiet by Quiet American-Really Blue by Believe It
8. War Chant by Danzig-Hollywood Wildcat by Kris S.
9. Arch by Kris S.-Aurora by Danzig 2nd dam Althea
10. Mr. Greeley by Gone West-Long Legend by Reviewer
11. Matty G. by Capote-Star Gem by Pia Star
Mt. Livermore seems to like the great mares Two Bob and Two Lea which you get through the bloodlines of Best Turn, Tim Tam, and On-and On the broodmare sire of Alydar. Bloodlines of Cox's Ridge, Alydar, Known Fact, Tentam. I would considers theses stallions which include bloodlines of Two Lea or Two Bob. I would look for great mares Sweet Tooth(dam of Our Mims and Alydar), Two Lea(dam of On-and-On andTim Tam, Tamerette(dam of Tentam and Known Fact and 2nd dam of Gone West),Ta Wee,Lalun(dam of Bold Reason and Never Bend)
1. Binalong by Known Fact-Begum by Alydar 2nd dam by Nasrullah
2. A.P. Jet by Fappiano-Taminette by In Reality 2nd dam Tamerett
3. Gone West by Mr. Prospector-Secrettame by Secretariat 2nd dam Tamerett
4. Northern Afleet by Afleet-Nureyett by Nureyev 2nd dam by Tentam
5. Acceptable by Capote-Ms. Teak Wood by Woodman 2nd dam by Tentam
6. Just a Cat by Storm Cat-Rita by Alydar 2nd dam Davona Dale (standing in Canada)
7. Feel the Power by Raise a Native-Davona Dale by Best Turn
8. High Brite by Best Turn-Spray by Forli 3rd dam by Nasrullah
9. Judge T C by Judge Smells-I'm Pretty by Secretariat Judge Smells is out of a Best Turn mare and his 3rd dam is Aspidistra
10. Elajjud by Dayjur-Aishah by Alydar dam a full sister to Athea (standing in Canada)
11. Grand Slam by Gone West-Bright Candes by El Gran Senor 4x4 Bold Ruler
12. Sultry Song by Cox's Ridge-Sultry Sun by Buckfinder
Keith
1. Holy Bull by Great Above-Sharon Brown by AL Hattab
2. Crafty Prospector by Mr. Prospector-Real Crafty Lady by In Reality
3. Saratoga Six by Alydar-Priceless Fame by Irish Castle
4. Benchmark by Alydar-Winter's Love by Danzig
5. Is It True by Raja Baba-Roman Rockette by Proudest Roman
6. Marquetry by Conquistador Cielo-Regent's Walk by Vice Regent
7. Real Quiet by Quiet American-Really Blue by Believe It
8. War Chant by Danzig-Hollywood Wildcat by Kris S.
9. Arch by Kris S.-Aurora by Danzig 2nd dam Althea
10. Mr. Greeley by Gone West-Long Legend by Reviewer
11. Matty G. by Capote-Star Gem by Pia Star
Mt. Livermore seems to like the great mares Two Bob and Two Lea which you get through the bloodlines of Best Turn, Tim Tam, and On-and On the broodmare sire of Alydar. Bloodlines of Cox's Ridge, Alydar, Known Fact, Tentam. I would considers theses stallions which include bloodlines of Two Lea or Two Bob. I would look for great mares Sweet Tooth(dam of Our Mims and Alydar), Two Lea(dam of On-and-On andTim Tam, Tamerette(dam of Tentam and Known Fact and 2nd dam of Gone West),Ta Wee,Lalun(dam of Bold Reason and Never Bend)
1. Binalong by Known Fact-Begum by Alydar 2nd dam by Nasrullah
2. A.P. Jet by Fappiano-Taminette by In Reality 2nd dam Tamerett
3. Gone West by Mr. Prospector-Secrettame by Secretariat 2nd dam Tamerett
4. Northern Afleet by Afleet-Nureyett by Nureyev 2nd dam by Tentam
5. Acceptable by Capote-Ms. Teak Wood by Woodman 2nd dam by Tentam
6. Just a Cat by Storm Cat-Rita by Alydar 2nd dam Davona Dale (standing in Canada)
7. Feel the Power by Raise a Native-Davona Dale by Best Turn
8. High Brite by Best Turn-Spray by Forli 3rd dam by Nasrullah
9. Judge T C by Judge Smells-I'm Pretty by Secretariat Judge Smells is out of a Best Turn mare and his 3rd dam is Aspidistra
10. Elajjud by Dayjur-Aishah by Alydar dam a full sister to Athea (standing in Canada)
11. Grand Slam by Gone West-Bright Candes by El Gran Senor 4x4 Bold Ruler
12. Sultry Song by Cox's Ridge-Sultry Sun by Buckfinder
Keith
Hi Pete and Keith,
Many thanks for your breeding suggestions. I have been on the road and haven't had a chance to digest the implications yet and to try some sample breedings to see what you are suggesting in detail. In any event, I much appreciate learning your thoughts. Also, thanks Henthorn for your welcome.
Don
Many thanks for your breeding suggestions. I have been on the road and haven't had a chance to digest the implications yet and to try some sample breedings to see what you are suggesting in detail. In any event, I much appreciate learning your thoughts. Also, thanks Henthorn for your welcome.
Don
