Pedigree Query

Any thoughts on this cross? I personally really like it, but was wondering what some of the more in tune might think. Mare has a stakes winner by Slewacide who was a winner at Keenland. Given that Vindication and A.P. Indy are a tad out of my price range Matty G seems like a solid choice.

I don't suppose Slew City Slew is an option is he? This year he's got Sis City and Lava Man and he's in Midway, KY at Airdrie for $5,000.

I hope this link works, I got it from the Stallion Registry on Bloodhorse.com

http://www.stallionregister.com/sr_sire ... nglesearch

I just assumed you'd like other Seattle Slew (or sons of SS) stallions and I checked out a few. Alot of the ones I liked had Mr. P kinda close cuz that's a popular cross and/or were in CA. I'm guessing since Matty G's in KY that that's where you're looking.

I'm a novice at this but I find it interesting and I'd love to know feedback from you. Still learning! I'd also love to be able to do hypomatings with your mare but I don't have the extra service here. Hope this was helpful. I don't have a total awareness of Slew City Slew and Misty Golddigger's confirmations,etc. so I'll leave that up to more knowledgable folks.

Actually I have looked at Slew City Slew. He is on the short list, but he doesn't sell at all well most of the Seattle Slew line doesn't for reasons beyond me. If I were strictly breed to race that is where I would go.

What about Evansville Slew? He seems to be a solid producer and quite a good value at $3500... and 3x4 Mr. Prospector is no longer a no-no, there are quite a lot of stakes horses bred like that now.

I am biased ( I have a very nice Matty G yearling filly) but I would certainly go with Matty G. While all three horses mentioned above can get a good racehorse, Matty G is the only one with any commercial appeal, and his appeal seems to be on the climb.

Matty G has been very successful with Mr. P line mares and the extra lines of La Troienne that your mare carries can only help an already potent combination.

Matty G had two yearlings sell in Lexington last month, one for $42,000.00 and the other for $50,000.00. Both well received and I expect his yearling sales averages to continue to go up. He is a most impressive stallion and has done well with very little in the way of broodmare help. I'd love to see him bred to some good stakes mares.

GO FOR IT~! reasons below...

austique wrote:Any thoughts on this cross? I personally really like it, but was wondering what some of the more in tune might think. Mare has a stakes winner by Slewacide who was a winner at Keenland. Given that Vindication and A.P. Indy are a tad out of my price range Matty G seems like a solid choice.

I really like the pedigree match-up here as Seattle Slew makes sense for the mare on account of the powerful Relaunch/Seattle Slew nick (also, Seattle Slew/Mr Prospector ain't bad neither) and the mare producing a SW by Slewacide.

Just as importantly, Relaunch and his damsire The Axe (inbred to in the dam of Misty Golddigger) have significant affinities with Matty G's damsire Pia Star (please see especially Tiznow, Budroyale, and Tizdubai).

Also, Matty G. is very promising stallion...

-llbean

Any thoughts on the new Seattle Slew horse Tomahawk? I know Ontario is a bit far for some of the folks on this board, but he was champion in IRE. He also sold for a couple of mil as a yearling so his conformation must be ok. Think he will be at all commercial?

I don't know that much about him, but his photos are gorgeous.

I know you're looking at Slew line stallions and honestly if it were me (and I know you too, austique) breeding to race with a SS stallion would send me to Slew City Slew, but I'd love you to consider Holy Bull. I didn't want you to have to squirrel around looking this stuff up so forgive the wealth (ehem haha) of info I put in this post. He's obviously coming into his own now however you feel about Giacomo versus Afleet Alex in the Derby and just found something on his nicking report that is interesting. Here's the page link and the snippet I was talking about. http://www.equineline.com/extendedconte ... ID=1443262

I'm trying to post charts that aren't coming up well so please forgive me, I've tried to make em clearer.

Mr. Prospector was the top broodmare sire with foals sired by Holy Bull:

broodmare sire/ *dams *foals *starters *winners *blkwnnrs *in USA$ *aei

Mr. Prospector * 12 *15 *12 (80) *7 (47) *0 (0) *$408,611 *0.92

Here are Holy Bull's totals:

TOTALS FOR/ *dams *foals *starters *winners *blkwnnrs *in USA$ *aei
Holy Bull/ *467 *525 *359 (68 ) *240 (46) *23 (4) *$25,095,962 *1.71

here's the hypomating with Misty:

http://www.equineline.com/extendedconte ... ef=1375085


You'd be inbreeding to Intentionally through Ta Wee and In Reality and obviously thru The Axe II on Misty's side so you could definitely do worse. He's $15,000 so it's a tad more than the others mentioned but probably would sell well too. Here are his progeny results thus far saleswise:


# Sold, Total Amount, Average, Median
His progeny have sold at auction as:
Weanlings 61 $4,417,500 $72,418 $55,000
Yearlings 252 $21,227,704 $84,237 $50,000
2 Year Olds 81 $10,434,094 $128,816 $85,000
Older Horses 5 $306,200 $61,240 $9,200
Broodmares 71 $4,384,900 $61,759 $30,000
Stallions 0 $0 $0 $0
His male progeny have sold at auction as:
Weanlings 31 $2,528,000 $81,548 $70,000
Yearlings 139 $12,866,204 $92,563 $50,000
2 Year Olds 48 $6,734,094 $140,294 $97,500
Older Horses 3 $27,000 $9,000 $7,500
Stallions 0 $0 $0 $0
His female progeny have sold at auction as:
Weanlings 30 $1,889,500 $62,983 $50,000
Yearlings 113 $8,361,500 $73,996 $47,000
2 Year Olds 33 $3,700,000 $112,121 $82,000
Older Horses 2 $279,200 $139,600 $139,600
Broodmares 71 $4,384,900 $61,759 $30,000

I actually am a Giacomo fan as he reminds me of my first good mare who wasn't flashy but when they turned for home she was always putting in a run. Giacomo is just a honest horse. The funny thing about Holy Bull is I had Darley come back on a mating recommendation for this mare last year and they came back with Kafwain (she's in foal to him now) and no mention for Holy Bull. I assumed it was for a front end issue as my mare toes in on one foot which they were informed of (something she does not pass on although her foals can toe out when they are weanlings).

llbean wrote:I really like the pedigree match-up here as Seattle Slew makes sense for the mare on account of the powerful Relaunch/Seattle Slew nick

llbean...

Other than Tiznow and his siblings, and Graded stakes winner Slew Gin Fizz, what other notables carry the "powerful Relaunch - Seattle Slew nick?"

llbean wrote:Just as importantly, Relaunch and his damsire The Axe (inbred to in the dam of Misty Golddigger) have significant affinities with Matty G's damsire Pia Star (please see especially Tiznow, Budroyale, and Tizdubai).

Pia Star and Intentionally trace tail-female to Ballantrae, Family 5-j. Relaunch carries two additional crosses to Ballantrae through Djebel and Equipoise. Linebreeding to Ballantrae appears too often in good winners and stakes winners (see Saratoga Dew) to be entirely coincidental, and introducing more Ballantrae is worth considering when matching a pedigree with In Reality present.

On a side note, Misty Golddigger's dam is bred remarkably similar to Breeders' Cup Distaff winner One Dreamer. One Dreamer has been bred to top commercial sires Storm Cat, AP Indy, and Unbridled without success. But One Dreamer's stakes winning full sister, Lonely Girl, wasn't mated quite as ambitiously and she produced nice blue collar earners by Sovereign Dancer ($300K), by Repriced ($114K), a stakes winner by Major Impact ($200K), and a modest, late developing winner by Pleasant Colony.

Hi All,

Linda a nice observation about One Dreamer who has considerable blood similarities with Misty Golddigger.

Despite small books and very modest mares, Matty has continued to get quality runners. Including his 2yos of 2005, he has only 119 foals, 6SW and 4 graded stakes winners. From his mature crops he has over 70% winners and 7% SW. He's also had 25% 2yo winners.

He's currently 12th on the 2yo sire list from only 34 foals including G3 winner Deputy G.

Currently he's showing a rising commercial awareness and offers a good chance to breed a profitable foal. The best is yet to come.

Matty has 61 named foals of 2004 and was bred to 123 mares in 2005. It's probable that he will have more foals ready to race in the next two years than he had in all his previous years at stud.

Matty's held on and had his fee rise despite a very limited number of foals (total would be a small crop for an Ahsford sire). With superior mares and numbers it's like a first year stallion that you know can get the job done. Mostly upside, little downside.

Regards,

Pete

Hi,

There are a lot of opinions being tossed around about what will, might or could work with Matty. Matty isn't a freshman sire. Did anyone look at the pedigrees of his best runners - how about ALL of his runners. Heck, there just aren't that many of them.

If you're supposing that there's inherited affinities (nicks that existed between Capote or Slew with other lines) forget it with Matty. He's a strict pattern breeder. What worked with his sire line in the past isn’t germane to him. The only hint of a distinct direct affinity (nick) is with Hold Your Peace. Now don’t go out and get Meadowlake mares for Matty just yet, look at the patterns first (Meadowlake’s never been tried with Matty).

The pattern is: Outcross him, layer his dam's sire lines in declining aggression (if possible) and balance his blood with the greatest influences being (in order); Nasrullah, Nearco, Blenheim, Mahmoud (other than Nasrullah the positions can change). This isn’t written in stone but look at the successful and not so successful. There are other blood patterns as well but more minor.

Fortunately Matty isn't easily inbred because other than Slew his pedigree doesn't have many prominent names. The only inbreeding that worked well was Little Matth Man (3x4 Pia Star) and modestly with Too Bald (3x3 once). Slew was only tried once (Mahari 2002 3x3) so it’s inconclusive. Olympia was line bred several times (6-7 times) without success as was Lt. Stevens (2 or 3 times). Don't get cute with Matty. It's OK to breed inbred mares to Matty as long as it's a sire that he demands.

It's really not hard to match a mare with Matty. Put up some hypos and you'll see that perhaps 50% of all mares will fit a lot of the pattern because of what is available in the mare population and what Matty brings to the mating.

Someone on this forum contacted me about their mare in foal to Matty G and I was pleased to tell them that their mating was an A-, a very strong pattern breed to Matty. My own mare is not as high (B-) because Hail To Reason / Turn-To is too close. Misty Golddigger is a good mate for Matty G, perhaps explosively so because of her three new strains of Domino through Spy Song – and Matty loves his Domino.

I ADORE pattern breeding sires. They give you a window into the future that other sires don’t. There is no guarantee that a really well suited mare will produce a stakes winner, or even a winner, but there’s a better chance than if they didn’t fit the pattern. I believe that with Matty you can move his foals up several percent on pedigree and on balance that might only be 2% or 3% total, but keep in mind that 2% is nearly 10 lengths advantage in a mile race.

If any of you have a mare that you’re thinking of breeding to Matty G and would like me to grade the mating, send me the mare’s name.

Regards,

Pete