Stallion suggestions?

[klbash2000]

Ackurage (Ack Ack - Witchmonger by Tom Rolfe)
Fancy Storm (Storm Boot - Ackurage by Ack Ack)
Mississitty (Texas City - Miss Illiopolis by Illiopolis)
Queen Felice (Cobra King - Chief's Honey by Chief's Crown)
Clever Chick (Tricky Creek - Ages 'n Stages by Raise a Man)
Fall Evening (Silent Screen - Summer Evening by Olympiad King)
Flimsy (Fluorescent Light - Bed Shy by Bye And Near)
Mangala (Sharpen Up - Meadow Blue by Raise A Native)
Sensorious (Vice Regent- Princess Axe by Majestic Prince)
Bonus Paid (Bonus Money - Perky Wonder by Relaunch)

Who would you suggest breeding to in KY (commercial where possible, breed to race otherwise), and where would you suggest foaling each to best take advantage of state program: KY, LA, PA or VA?

[ZiaLand]

Klbash, congrats on acquiring Sensorious. I was about to have her sent to me with another mare, but I was a little too late with a phone call. Good luck with her.

I saw one of her daughters on TVG the other day. I think it was Sensorious Kiss.

Laurie

[klbash2000]

She's a sweetheart, I call her Cindy. She's as classy as they come, absolute lady to handle and calm and steady no matter what the ruckus, doesn't even twitch an ear. There's a couple of mares in my list: her, Mangala and Ackurage that may just be retirees but it's always fun to make the plans . On a side note she has a white splash that is just in the hair, I don't see any skin color changes, does anybody know if that is a sabino characteristic or just a marking?

[llbean]

klbash

I highly recommend putting the names of the sires next to the broodmares as you've put too many broodmares for most people to look up and unless you give people an idea of which ones they're likely to be most interested in by giving the sire you probably aren't going to be getting much free advice.

-llbean

[klbash2000]

I have added the peds, thanks for the input!

[hpkingjr]

Please give us a price range of stud fees for each mare (maximum) so we will give you practical mating suggestions.

[klbash2000]

The commercial mares can probably go up to about $40K stud fees but a $25K limit is preferable. However some of the mares are "garbage" commercially and need to go to a free-5K stud. I am game for whatever is appropriate for the mare.

[llbean]

On pedigree, Mangala would be perfect for either Galileo or his full brother Black Sam Bellamy. Black Sam Bellemy might be doable as though he's in Germany the stud fee is a reasonable 7,500 pounds Euros.

The logic behind the mating is pretty easy to understand: Black Sam Bellamy's sire Sadlers Wells is a VERY strong nick with Mangala's sire Sharpen Up (please see the GIWs High Chapperal, King's Chapel, Hurrican Run, Motivator, May Ball, Fidelite, Doyen, Zanzibar, Soldier Hollow, and Quiff besides at least 12 additional GSWs).

AND the damsire of Black Sam Bellamy (Miswaki) sired the 3-Time G2W in England and UAE Champion Older Male Allied Forces when bred to Mangala herself.

Also, Mangala's 2nd dam Gay Hostess has combined with Sadlers Wells in the GIWs Tobougg, Ecclesiastical, King of Kings, and the Multiple G2W Artie Schiller.

Black Sam's standing at Gestüt Fährhof and here's a link to a pictue of him racing: http://breeding.bloodhorse.com/newsronl ... e_page.asp .

And here's a conformation picture (please scroll down): http://www.pferdezucht-gt.de/Aktuelles/home.html

-llbean

[llbean]

Ackurage (Ack Ack - Witchmonger by Tom Rolfe)

Hi Klbash,

I like Mutakddim with Ackurage (who interestingly, is bred like Broad Brush) on account of two of his three best daughters (the excellent GI Winning Argentenian fillies Artemisa and Refine) coming from mares that shared Turn-To and Tom Rolfe with Ackurage.

Note that Tom Rolfe and Turn-To both have the key strain called Ornament and that most excellent female horse (who was the dam of justly legendary Sceptre and a full sister of the magnificant English Triple Crown Champion Ormonde) is a majorly important key strain to return to La Trioenne (who has a cross of Ornament herself along her damline through St Denis).

And guess what Mutakdimm's pedigree is saturated with???

La Trioenne of course!

-llbean

[klbash2000]

Very good match physically too. I would never have even thought about him. Glad you brought him up.

[hpkingjr]

Maiden Mare with modest black type. I would hesitate to spend large dollars on her stud fee.

Two suggestions. HOLY BULL (15K 2005) and EVANSVILLE SLEW (3.5K 2005)

HOLY BULL brings a number of sex balanced in and line breeding strengths together. The foal would be sex balanced 4x5 to both In Reality and The Axe, sex balanced to Rough and Tumble 4x6, Bold Ruler 5x6 and Grey Dawn 4x4 (Herbager 5x5) not sex balanced. Additionally it brings six lines of Mahmoud (the equivalent of 5x5) which IMO strengthens the pedigree further. I would be a little concerned that Holy Bull has an AEI of 1.63 compared to CI of 2.3 but I believe you would have the best chance to sell or race with him.

EVANSVILLE SLEW is a proven sire of runners. With a maiden mare it is important to get a foal to the track with a good chance of running and winning. I chose not to select any unproven sires. ES has an AEI of 1.47 compared to CI of .97. 10% stakes winners from starters. Additionally you will be working from the great Slew- In Reality nick that has produced so many good horses. You also have duplicated Rough and Tumble 6x6 sex balanced, 7 strains of Princequillo and 6 strains of Mahmoud which makes for a strong sound pedigree.

[klbash2000]

I am hesitant on the Holy Bull mating as she is a very big mare right on the edge of being rangy and he seems to throw very rangy slightly coarse foals.

The Evanville Slew mating is very solid as far as proven sire to unproven mare. Again, another mating I hadn't thought of, I will look into his stats with similar pedigrees. Thank you

[Keith]

1. Ackurage I would consider breeding her to Teton Forest as he includes the bloodlines od Storm Cat and Al Nasr the sires of Sharp Cat and Star Recruit. I would also consider Hap

2. Fancy Storm I would consider breeding her to Kafwain as he contains bloodlines of Timeless Moment who has done well with Storm Boot

3. Mississitty I would consider breeding her to Slew City Slew and ine breeding on Misty Morn 5x5

4. Queen Felice I would consider breeding to Minardi line breeding Monarchy 5x5 and Knight's Daughter 6x6x6

5. Clever Chick I would consider breeding to Military line breeding Battle Creek Girl 3x3

6. Fall Evening I would consider breeding to David Copperfield line breeding Count Fleet 5x5x5 and Banish Fear 5x5

7. Flimsy I would consider Forest Camp linebreeding Broomflight 5x5 through siblings Bunty's Flight and Bye Bye Bunty

8. Mangala I would consider breeding to Magic Cat line breeding Your Hostess 4x5

9. Sensorious I would consider breeding to Magic Cat line breeding Your Hostess 5x5 and The Axe II 4x5

10. Bonus Paid I would consider breeding to Say Florida Sandy line breeding siblings Damascus and Arlene Francis. I would also consider Benchmark linebreeding on Plum Cake.

Keith

[klbash2000]

I have seriously considered Evansville Slew for Mississitty in the past but always wimped out due to his crookedness.

Also agree on the Deputy Minister for Flimsy. She's currently in foal to a son of his, we'll see how that one comes out.

You hit the nail on the head with the 2 main reasons I liked Bonus Paid, also was considering Glitterman lines for her.

Magic Cat is not an option. I can see why you suggested on pedigree but based on progeny, location and record, he's not the lucky suitor.

1,2,4,5 and 6 I need to look into more, I will edit this post later with my thoughts. Thank you very much for your time and effort!

[austique]

Considering that Ackurage has had some success with the Best Turn line in the past why not consider Out of Place.