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Thoughts on this cross

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:04 am
by sprucie
Does this sound like a good cross?

Mr Livingston http://louroefarm.com/stallions/mr_livingston.html x Mean Of Queen http://www.sprucehillfarm.com/meanofqueen.html . The foal would be intended for a sale, but if I like it, I may end up keeping it and run it myself. It would be a NY bred foal.

The things I like about the cross are both had plenty of starts and showed soundness, they both have good conformation (from what I can see in his picture), the mare's G2 winning 1/2 sister is by a Northern Dancer son, and it is a Rasmussen cross with Pocahontas 5x5.

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:10 am
by bcassidy
I couldn't tell you anything about Mr Livingston, but I do like El Prado very much.
However, when I looked at the mare's pedigree---it screams for a son of Unbridled. I know that isn't what you were asking to comment on, but I couldn't resist. The two stallions that I like on paper for the mare that stand in NY are, Wheelaway and Thunderello.

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:29 am
by madelyn
It is a very interesting cross, actually. The mare's half sister by Hurok, though, seems to indicate a need for more Hyperion and Princequillo. But you may be on the right track with a son of Fappiano.

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:47 am
by sprucie
I liked Wheelaway when I saw him, but I don't think he's worth $6000, and his 1st foals are now 2yo's. Too risky for me with an "unproven" broodmare. Thunderello is right around the corner from me, and when I saw him, I didn't think he'd be a good fit for this mare conformationally. She needs a bit longer of a neck. Are there any Fappiano/Unbridled sons standing that have proven their soundness? I really don't like having Mr P in a pedigree, and try to avoid it if I can.

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:46 pm
by madelyn
Just glancing through NY stallions, what about Millennium Wind for your mare?

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 1:10 pm
by sprucie
With just 7 starts, I'd be concerned about him passing along his unsoundness, and here is his conformation picture, http://www.highcliff.com/registry_image ... _wind.html :shock:. The mare herself is very slightly sickle hocked, so I think the foal would end up being possibly as bad as the sire in this case. :(

The only Fappiano sire in NY that is even somewhat interesting is AP Jet, and he had 36 starts, so seems to be sound. Any thoughts on that cross?

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 5:19 am
by sprucie
The other affordable Unbridled son that caught my eye is Unbridled Image, any thoughts on him? I, of course, really like Saarland and Eddington, but for this mare, I think they are too expensive.

The other possibility is taking this mare to Tiger Ridge. He'd be bringing 3 additional crosses of Princequillo via Somethingroyal, and it picks up the nick of Secretariat /Chieftain. Any other thoughts on that cross?