Pedigree Query

I am looking for a big Mr. Prospector son (grandson if producing well) stallion that stamps his stock for a little mare, she is a decent mare (she has been accepted into a couple books already) I am looking on spending around $20k. But she is small. Any ideas?

Woodman came to mind first because he is 20K fee in KY. I do not know for positive if he meets the need for a big horse though.

New York has a pair of Mr. P Sons that both are listed at 5K....Gold Token is listed at 16.0 hands and Lycius is listed at 16.2. Lycius looks big in his photo. Lyphard and High Hat on the bottom.

[quote="Ruffian"]I am looking for a big Mr. Prospector son (grandson if producing well) stallion that stamps his stock for a little mare, she is a decent mare (she has been accepted into a couple books already) I am looking on spending around $20k. But she is small. Any ideas?

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Not for Love standing for 25K

Quiet American 20K

Both outstanding sires.

also I would take a look at Proud Citizen (itbaya got a date with him) 17.5K

johar has some size...

How small is your mare?

about 15.1 and a bit, she is built like a quarter though. Already a stakes producer with the Mr. P line and it works well with her family.

I wouldn't get caught up in the breeding small to big theory. If the foal inherits his sire's size, there could be a problem with the delivery since your mare is small. Wha is your mare's name?

Ruffian wrote:about 15.1 and a bit, she is built like a quarter though. Already a stakes producer with the Mr. P line and it works well with her family.

My mare also is a bit on the short side---built like a quarter horse (lots of muscles) and being bred to a tall one this spring (17 hands).
I want him to stretch her out a bit---add some stamina to all that speed.

I'm going to go ahead and second Quiet American. He gets a nice horse even if he is um unattractive (we'll just leave it at that )

Shes in a mix up with Five Star Day & City Zip. Any body seen their foals?


Thanks

Not for Love standing for 25K

I highly recommend Wish I could breed to him myself!

We bred to a Big Stallion 17hands in 04 the mare was 15.3 an built .
on Kentucky Derby day morning 05 about 3a.m. we had a huge colt born big as I was I have pictures to prove it.
The mare had no problems.
An you should see the gaint that loves to run we have today.
Im not sure I would do it again.
It had to be hard on the mare.But its a freak of nature so im not sure how often that happens.it was the biggiest foal the vet ever saw.
Good luck with your foal to be.

Hi

Sorry to tell you, but I'm studying genetics at university, and have just completed my Reproductive Biology course. The Heights of the progeny, will utimately be determined by the mother, as the developmental foetus will have a certain room in the uterus to grow, ie small mare, smaller uterus, and hence the progeny will have less room to develop.
This is not to say that breeding a small mare will result in a foal that will grow just to the same size on the dam. However, it doe mean that the foal, will never be the same size as the sire (if he's tall)

In accordance uk breeder you,re right, but I have been surprised by nature a couple of times. The damside were all big deep individuals 16.3 and more. Including full brothers from the dam beyond.
Dam 15.2 sire 17.1 result a gelding witch matured into 17.2
Other example
Dam 16.0 sire 16.2 result a sports "pony" 15.1, the damside were all not to big, but deep bodied
This are not only examples, but real happend.

Ben

UKbreeder (19)

I have also seen that study and you are misinterpreting it a bit. The mare controls the size of the fetus in utero (i.e. she will not give birth to a foal that is bigger than she is capable of foaling); however, once the foal is on the ground environment and genetics take over and it is possible for the foal to outgrow both parents (larger genetics in the background, better growing environment, dam was a first foal etc). I love that study by the way