conduit mare profile...

mikec · Postby **mikec** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 5:55 am

Okay ; I'm sure this has been asked a thousand times but I'm still confused so somebody gimme a hand.
4-4-7-3-5 is what I get when I plug in my mare with Slew City Slew. I understand that it's a " guess " as to speed / stamina ( in this case dead even ) but what's with these numbers ? I mean ; is there a minimum / maximum like 1 - 10 with 10 being the best or can these numbers increase into infinity ? I don't want to put a lot of faith in this stuff but I guess I should at least start looking at them since they are tools that are available.

rubicon1967 · Postby **rubicon1967** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 2:18 am

4-4-7-3-5 is the dosage in 5 catagories brilliant intermediat classic solid professional as u read left to right. these are based on the chefs de race in your mares pedigree from the 1st 4 generations. each chef in her pedigree will have one or two letters under its name. in the case of slew city slew's pedigree seattle slew will have b & c.

1st generation ancestors who are chefs score 16 and it is halved each generation until 2 points in generation 4. in the case of this hypothetical seattle slew is 2nd generation therefore 8 points divided equally between brilliant and classic. 23 points is about average and reasonably reliable for making assumptions about distance this mating would run over. if you look on the chefs de race website, linked of the home page of the website it goes thru this.

the other useful thing on there is dosage data which looks at the average cd (centre of distribution) and di (dosage index) and average distance. your hypo's profile would give a di 1 of and cd of -0.04 - which would indicate distance 1 1/2 miler +, the greater the number of dosage points the more reliable that it is. clearly there are many non chefs who will influence that the distance. knowing what slew city slews profile is like all of the stamina element is coming from the dam, 4 from the intermediat and 3 classic.

your other point - there isnt a maximum in any category. the maximum number of dosage points is 64 and they could be distributed any which way. hope this has been of help

regards
patrick

mikec · Postby **mikec** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 4:57 am

Thank you Patrick !
I fairly well understood the " basics " but just didn't have a really good handle on the big picture but your explanation was easily understood & helped immensely.
Only thing is - I must be doing something wrong 'cause I come up with a DI of 3 and CD of 1 but - that's my problem & I'll just sit down & figure it out.
What was confusing me was the indication of equal speed / stamina ( 8 ea. ) from the conduit mare profile but no distance at all from the sire. Didn't know if that meant a one dimensional horse going like a merry go round or one that could maintain good speed over a route of ground courtesy of the dam.
You helped a lot though - thanks again !

rubicon1967 · Postby **rubicon1967** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:50 am

dosage index is half the classic points added to the speed (b/i) and divided by stamina points (s/p) added to half classic points. so in your case its 4+4+3.5 = 11.5 divided by 5+3+3.5 = 11.5. di is 1.

cd is 2xbrilliant - 2x professional + intermediate - solid = 8-10+4-3 = -1 then divide that by the dosage points. = 0.04

a lot of the better middle distance horses in the states who won some of the triple crown races have much higher di/cd than one would expect them to have and still have enough stamina to run the race. i guess what i am saying is maybe inject a bit more speed into the pedigree, it seems as though your mare has a fair bit of stamina.

cheers patrick

mikec · Postby **mikec** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:14 am

Hi Patrick,
I just printed out the entire chefs-de-race formula and will sit down & get it right.
Here's where the problem occurs : any good Irishman like myself, one worth his salt anyway, will know a good racehorse just by looking at it. Once you throw in a bunch of scientific formulas & such ; well - it's time for a pint !

madelyn · Postby **madelyn** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:16 am

Mike, your time might be better spent with the pint. Dosage is a very subjective, none-too-reliable creation.

mikec · Postby **mikec** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:55 am

STAY WITH THE PINT ???
Geez ; gotta love a woman who talks sensibly. Back to work !

BenB · Postby **BenB** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:59 am

Mikec,

Enjoys a stout one, that helps more.

Luck with your mating.

mikec · Postby **mikec** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:45 am

St. Patty's day is right around the corner so I'll have my annual pint of stout then. Unless, of course, it stays this cold in which case the party will begin much sooner.
In the meantime I think, and hope, I see where all the confusion is coming from. When I originally gave those numbers, 4-4-7-3-5, * under the heading of conduit mare profile * I made a bad assumption. I thought it was understood that I wasn't talking about the dosage, DI or CD for a Slew City Slew / Carly Pooh mating but rather the conduit mare profile listed at the bottom of the pedigree page.
The DP for such a mating ( top of the page ) = 5-0-5-0-0 ; DI = 3 ; CD = 1. What I was getting at, and now realize I should have been clearer, was what does the conduit mare profile tell me in relation to the dosage profile ? It pretty much still looks to me that Patrick may have been right anyway even given the bad info. Sorry 'bout that guys :roll:

mikec · Postby **mikec** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:58 am

By the way ; baby now has a name, Bali Hai (7) which is listed in the pedigree base on this site now.

rubicon1967 · Postby **rubicon1967** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:42 am

you definitely have the right idea mike. dosage can b a nitemare, not always the most reliable unless your horse is exceptionally well bred and even then.... better off with a drop of the good stuff. guinness. the greatest creation to come out of ireland excepting the nolan sisters :lol:

mikec · Postby **mikec** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:01 am

Last time I was in Ireland I met those Nolan sisters...thousands of 'em.
Seriously ; I hope I didn't cause you too much aggravation !?!
What I'm reading about the conduit mare profile indicates to me that it's entirely a horse of another color vs. dosage and I didn't mean to throw you a curve.

rubicon1967 · Postby **rubicon1967** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:13 am

no problem at all mike. looked at dosage til its come out of my ears. hope u have luck with the horse anyway

cheers

patrick

mikec · Postby **mikec** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:36 pm

Patrick,
I sent a brief email to the author of Modern Conduit Mares regarding our discussion. You, Sir, are absolutely 100% correct in your read of my mare & her baby's " potential ".
Recognition where it is due !