Pedigree Query

Hi there I am fairly new at this and was wondering If I used "So urgent " as a sire to "call me abby". If anyone has any advise on either of these horses it would be much appreciated.
thanks Lindsay

hes my boy wrote:Hi there I am fairly new at this and was wondering If I used "So urgent " as a sire to "call me abby". If anyone has any advise on either of these horses it would be much appreciated.
thanks Lindsay

It's hard to find anythig on Call Me Abby. Is she unraced? If unraced, WHY? Her dam is 1/2 to Devil His Due, so I see your thinking with bringing in Devil's Bag w/So Urgent. Is So Urgent a new sire? If not, are there any stats on him?

Does So Urgent possess the class, soundness, versatility, physical compatibility/conformation compatibility with your mare that you are looking for? First look at the potential mare and stallion. If they match well in all the important areas, then look at the rest of the pedigree. The one thing I do see is a very unexciting Dosage Profile and a very low GSV score. What are you trying/hoping to achieve in running style/distance and class?

The 3rd Dam and Siblings of your mare's Dam below.

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PLENTY O'TOOLE, 1977, Raise A Cup- Li'l Puss by Noble Jay.
YRS ST WN PL SH EARNED SR SSI

1984 Copious,f,In Reality 2 7 1 0 0 16,070 2.23
North America Dirt Sprints 7 1 0 0 16,070
DP = 22-6-12-2-0 DI = 4.25 CD = 1.14 AWD = 6.00

1985 Sandcat,c,Damascus 3 21 2 3 0 5,608 ( 58) 0.23
North America Dirt Sprints 14 2 2 0 4,686 ( 58)
North America Dirt Routes 7 0 1 0 922
North America Muddy/Sloppy 6 1 1 0 2,695 ( 58)
DP = 12-12-10-0-0 DI = 5.80 CD = 1.06 AWD = 6.00

1987 Unnamed,c,El Gran Senor
DP = 13-4-13-0-0 DI = 3.62 CD = 1.00
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
KEESEP 1988 1226 $7,000 $431,714 ylg ( 7/ 7) NA

1988 Daredevil,f,Devil's Bag 2 17 4 0 0 35,178 ( 85) 1.73
North America Dirt Sprints 5 0 0 0 1,188 ( 78)
North America Dirt Routes 12 4 0 0 33,990 ( 85)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 4 1 0 0 7,098 ( 85)
DP = 13-3-12-2-2 DI = 2.20 CD = 0.72 AWD = 8.38
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
KEESEP 1989 614 $17,000 $138,865 ylg (25/26) NA
FTFFEB 1990 67 $35,000 $34,029 2yo ( 3/ 7) NA

1989 DEVIL HIS DUE,c,Devil's Bag 4 41 11 12 3 3,920,405 (111) 78.79
North America Dirt Sprints 5 2 1 0 32,265 ( 98)
North America Dirt Routes 36 9 11 3 3,188,140 (111)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 2 0 1 0 112,040 ( 97)
DP = 13-3-12-2-2 DI = 2.20 CD = 0.72 AWD = 8.73
At 3 Won Wood Memorial S. -G1 (500,000), Gotham S. -G2 (250,000), 2nd
Travers S. -G1 (1,000,000), 3rd Jim Dandy S. -G2 (150,000)
At 4 Won Pimlico Special H. -G1 (600,000), Gulfstream Park Handicap -G1
(500,000), Suburban Handicap -G1 (300,000), Excelsior Handicap -G2
(100,000), 2nd Philip H. Iselin Handicap -G1 (500,000), Woodward S.
-G1 (500,000), 3rd Whitney Handicap -G1 (250,000)
At 5 Won Suburban Handicap -G1 (350,000), Brooklyn Handicap -G2 (250,000),
Broward Handicap -G3 (75,000), 2nd Jockey Club Gold Cup S. -G1
(750,000), Oaklawn Handicap -G1 (750,000), Pimlico Special Handicap
-G1 (600,000), Woodward S. -G1 (500,000), Whitney Handicap -G1
(350,000), N.Y.R.A. Mile Handicap -G1 (250,000), 3rd Metropolitan
Handicap -G1 (500,000)
At 6 2nd Pimlico Special Handicap -G1 (600,000), Westchester Handicap -G3
(109,600)
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
KEENOV 1989 959 $25,000 $87,333 wlg ( 3/ 3) $100,000

1990 Kazumina,f,Green Dancer 1 11 0 2 3 24,120 ( 80) 1.69
North America Turf Record 7 0 2 3 20,400 ( 80)
North America Dirt Sprints 1 0 0 0 2,100 ( 71)
North America Dirt Routes 3 0 0 0 1,620 ( 77)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 1 0 0 0 1,620 ( 57)
DP = 12-2-10-4-0 DI = 2.11 CD = 0.79
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
KEENOV 1990 1560 $40,000 $29,100 wlg ( 1/ 5) $50,000

1991 M.D.'s Relampago,c,Well Decorated 1 11 1 3 0 36,105 ( 85) 2.29
North America Dirt Sprints 2 0 2 0 11,200 ( 84)
North America Dirt Routes 9 1 1 0 24,905 ( 85)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 2 0 1 0 5,840 ( 82)
DP = 18-4-2-0-0 DI = 23.00 CD = 1.67 AWD = 8.50
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
KEESEP 1992 1053 $22,000 $20,477 ylg ( 7/26) $12,500
OBSMAR 1993 186 $100,000 $30,929 2yo ( 1/ 7) $12,500

1993 Believe It Shesdue,f,Believe It 2 8 0 1 2 14,244 ( 83) 0.91
North America 2 YO Record 6 0 1 1 10,824 ( 83)
North America Turf Record 1 0 0 0 1,096 ( 74)
North America Dirt Sprints 6 0 1 2 12,570 ( 83)
North America Dirt Routes 1 0 0 0 0 ( 60)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 2 0 1 0 6,100 ( 83)
DP = 15-6-13-0-0 DI = 4.23 CD = 1.06
At 3 3rd Gasparilla S. (O) (25,000)
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
KEESEP 1994 1384 $60,000 $13,308 ylg ( 1/13) $7,500

1994 Devil's Luck,c,Devil's Bag Unraced
DP = 13-3-12-2-2 DI = 2.20 CD = 0.72

1996 Plenty O' Woman,f,Dayjur 3 17 1 2 4 71,870 ( 86) 1.92
North America Turf Record 5 0 1 1 11,764 ( 79)
North America Dirt Sprints 11 1 1 3 60,106 ( 86)
North America Dirt Routes 1 0 0 0 0 ( 50)
DP = 14-6-10-0-0 DI = 5.00 CD = 1.13 AWD = 6.00
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
KEESEP 1997 370 $80,000 $56,538 ylg ( 4/13) $50,000

1997 Sixy Devil,f,Devil's Bag 1 4 0 1 0 3,940 ( 60) 0.38
North America Dirt Sprints 4 0 1 0 3,940 ( 60)
DP = 13-3-12-2-2 DI = 2.20 CD = 0.72
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
KEENOV 1997 666 $80,000 $61,167 wlg ( 2/ 6) $25,000

2000 Mary Goodnight,f,Grindstone 1 11 2 1 1 58,650 ( 93) 1.86
North America Turf Record 1 0 0 0 0 ( 75)
North America Dirt Sprints 2 0 0 1 4,760 ( 70)
North America Dirt Routes 8 2 1 0 53,890 ( 93)
DP = 9-5-6-0-2 DI = 3.40 CD = 0.86 AWD = 8.41

Hi thankyou so much for your reply. Yes So urgent actually has not sired before, he last raced in 05, I believe nothing in 06, as he has a pulled check ligament at the moment. I am trying to get him healed as fast as possible. I hate seeing my boy in discomfort. As for abby she was never raced or even attempted to race. She is a very solid girl just like her mother ( plentyo woman). As for breeding the two of them I would like to see it at the track, but just wanted some input on it. So Urgent is a beautiful horse and I am hopfull and confident that he will produce the same in his offspring. I am new at this so I am wondering what you were talking about with their numbers?
thanks again
Lindsay

So Urgent was certainly an expensive purchase as a yearling ($280K against a $7500 stud fee). He must be a very nice horse. Do you plan to return him to the racetrack?

It takes quite a special horse to have one who learns to breed a mare and then returns to his normal work. It can be quite a mind-changing experience for most stallions.

BJ was listing the APR entry for your mare, I believe. If you are breeding to race, it is an interesting cross, it is impossible to comment further as both horses have not produced anything yet. However, your mare's dam is half sister to Devil His Due and the stallion's sire is by Devil's Bag so there's something to consider.

Hi, Thankyou for your input. Well I dont think that I will race him due to his injury and age. I will just let him retire from that but would love to breed him. Because he has not before I wanted to try him to abby and see what they throw. I think the two are a good cross. If anyone would like to try him contact me at [email protected] or [email protected]. As for if anyone has any more input it is greatly appreciated, this is my first time doing this much reaserch on breeding so thankyou!!!!
Lindsay

Ah. Well just another tiny thought for you. Since Abby has never bred, and neither has So Urgent, it might be wise for you to look for another mare to breed first to So Urgent, one of the hussy-types who has been covered and had foals and will firmly teach him which end of the mare to be on. I can think of nothing more physically difficult and frustrating than trying to get a maiden stallion on top of a maiden mare, with both of them equally baffled. Plus maiden mares usually will lean nearly their entire weight on whoever is holding them

OK thats great thanks for the info. In anyone elses experience does a stallion change alot once bread?
Lindsay

hes my boy wrote:OK thats great thanks for the info. In anyone elses experience does a stallion change alot once bread?Lindsay

Don't most men?

I think the pedigrees match well with what worked to creat Devil His Due, with Abby's female line in the past. You have good things to work with if they match physically and neither has serious conformation issues.

Madelyn's advice is good advice. She has her own stallion/breeding operation, herself.

You could also check with another gal in Washington. She just got the stallion Top Account. http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=32666 She could give you some great advice too. Her board ID is "EO". Or, you could PM me any questions and I'll email them to her.

How did you end up with the stallion, "So Urgent" all the way from California?

Best of luck to you!

BJ

Thankyou very much BJ I hope all works out too! Good for you Madelyn you must be very proud!! As for So Urgent I fell in love with him and ended up buying him. As for breedign him this year I might not. Here people like to breed a little earlier in the season, and if he doesn't have a few babies in the sale next year I dont know how that would look for him as no one would know that he began late this year for stud. What do you guys think? Unless the yearling was sold to the States that might be a different story?
thanks to all again
Lindsay

Electrocutionist, winner of the Dubai Cup last Sunday, has two foals, colts, by the same dam. I don't know if 2 times in 2 years would "take the edge off" or not. It might actually improve performance - on the track that is. Maybe the Arabs are on to something here.

jagger wrote:Electrocutionist, winner of the Dubai Cup last Sunday, has two foals, colts, by the same dam.

No he doesn't. Some evildoer has been putting fake foals in the database again.

The 'dam' of those phonies was Makybe Diva, who wasn't retired until last year....and being in Australia, won't be having her first foal until late summer or early fall.