If everyone thinks it's a huge mistake as a match -- would anyone like to make me an offer on a service to Union Place?
His normal stud fee is $3500 ... standing at Silver Duck in King City, Ontario.any thoughts on this cross for my mare?
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any thoughts on this cross for my mare?
Thought I'd tap into the expertise of those here. I have an opportunity to breed my mare to a freshman sire here in Ontario, called Union Place (Out of Place/Charming Kain, by Lomond). Snagged a service to him in a charity auction for a good price. My mare is Great Lady (the 1996 model, if you look her up), by El Prado/Most Inviting, by Bold Ruckus. Is it a reasonable match? To my unpracticed eye there's nothing glaringly awful about it, and a few nice things about it, but I do tend to approach things more from a sport-horse POV, and this baby would be to send to the sales.
If everyone thinks it's a huge mistake as a match -- would anyone like to make me an offer on a service to Union Place? His normal stud fee is $3500 ... standing at Silver Duck in King City, Ontario.
If everyone thinks it's a huge mistake as a match -- would anyone like to make me an offer on a service to Union Place?
His normal stud fee is $3500 ... standing at Silver Duck in King City, Ontario.could be a nice runner, nick is an A++, suppose to be a stakes winner out there----coxs ridge ex elprado but I couldnt find it. Two solid lines so I cant see it being a huge mistake.
freshman sire is the unknown sales question for you. Be patient and watch the sales to see if any mares in foal sell. From there you can decide what age will be best to sell, weanling, yearling, or 2yo.
gluck.
freshman sire is the unknown sales question for you. Be patient and watch the sales to see if any mares in foal sell. From there you can decide what age will be best to sell, weanling, yearling, or 2yo.
gluck.
Going to see the stallion next week. I agree I have to like what I see physically as well as on the pedigree printout. His owner described him as very correct, very powerful, "not huge" (by which I assume he's under 16 hands). My mare is the compact sprinting type, but not QH-heavy ... she's quite well-sprung though and looks much bigger than she actually measures.
If I don't think the stud will be a good match for her physically I suspect I'll sell the service to someone whose mare is a better choice. He will be all I have to go on, unfortunately, as he's a freshman and there are no foals on the ground yet. I do at least know my mare can produce a nice correct baby, based on her Birdonthewire foal a few years ago (who was so nice, I kept him).
JonR, thanks so much for your input, especially the info about the A++ nick. That's encouraging. In terms of saleability of the foal, yes, timing will be important, but normally in Ontario there's a lot of interest in freshman stallions which only dies down once they've got a few crops on the ground (assuming he doesn't produce anything nice!). I'm hoping that will be the case with Union Place -- seems everyone is interested in taking a chance on anything new!
If I don't think the stud will be a good match for her physically I suspect I'll sell the service to someone whose mare is a better choice. He will be all I have to go on, unfortunately, as he's a freshman and there are no foals on the ground yet. I do at least know my mare can produce a nice correct baby, based on her Birdonthewire foal a few years ago (who was so nice, I kept him).
JonR, thanks so much for your input, especially the info about the A++ nick. That's encouraging. In terms of saleability of the foal, yes, timing will be important, but normally in Ontario there's a lot of interest in freshman stallions which only dies down once they've got a few crops on the ground (assuming he doesn't produce anything nice!). I'm hoping that will be the case with Union Place -- seems everyone is interested in taking a chance on anything new!
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Definitely not a bad match on paper---and I do like the pedigree of your mare for breeding purposes. I would definitely recommend a son of Mr P for her if you should look to go in another direction (now or in the future) look at someone like Northern Afleet, Unforgettable Max, Silver Ghost, Mutakddim, Smoke Glacken, Smart Strike, etc. There should be many stallions to choose from and probably some good ones in Canada as well, but Union Place doesn't look that bad with your mare at all.
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Thanks, Brendan. Yes, I rather like my mare's lines too . I wasn't really in the market for a broodmare when I came across her at Fort Erie, but she was so striking and then when I was told what her breeding was, I figured I'd take the plunge. That said, I'm afraid I am the smallest of small breeders and critters like Smoke Glacken are way out of my price range. I'm pretty much limited to stallions within Ontario (so I don't have to pay mare care) and under $5000... wish I could give my mare better opportunities but it's just not in the cards, I fear!
The other snag is that Roxy suffered quite a bad rectal tear delivering her first foal (by Birdonthewire). It took four surgeries at the U of Guelph to put her back together. In the end it was successful, and she's healthy and cultures clean, but it's only now, four years later, that I'm daring to consider breeding her again. My vet has given her the thumbs-up but has recommended we avoid live cover if at all possible, saying it's more risky than the delivery (especially with an, um, enthusiastic freshman stud). It's my understanding that some TB farms will collect their stallions and then do immediate AI for problem mares like mine (even though technically it's bending the JC rules) ... but it sounds like Silver Duck is not one of those outfits. Soooo I will have to think very carefully about the risks of sending her to Union Place. Damn the medieval JC rules -- she would be SUCH a good candidate for embryo transfer if it were only allowed!
. I wasn't really in the market for a broodmare when I came across her at Fort Erie, but she was so striking and then when I was told what her breeding was, I figured I'd take the plunge. That said, I'm afraid I am the smallest of small breeders and critters like Smoke Glacken are way out of my price range. I'm pretty much limited to stallions within Ontario (so I don't have to pay mare care) and under $5000... wish I could give my mare better opportunities but it's just not in the cards, I fear!
The other snag is that Roxy suffered quite a bad rectal tear delivering her first foal (by Birdonthewire). It took four surgeries at the U of Guelph to put her back together. In the end it was successful, and she's healthy and cultures clean, but it's only now, four years later, that I'm daring to consider breeding her again. My vet has given her the thumbs-up but has recommended we avoid live cover if at all possible, saying it's more risky than the delivery (especially with an, um, enthusiastic freshman stud). It's my understanding that some TB farms will collect their stallions and then do immediate AI for problem mares like mine (even though technically it's bending the JC rules) ... but it sounds like Silver Duck is not one of those outfits. Soooo I will have to think very carefully about the risks of sending her to Union Place. Damn the medieval JC rules -- she would be SUCH a good candidate for embryo transfer if it were only allowed!