Broodmare by Ruhlman

[barbfool]

The mare is Lady Nancy O'Brien, by Ruhlman out of Irish O'Brien

I bought the mare on pedigree and conformation. Both are great. However, since the purchase I have come to realize Ruhlman sucks as a broodmare sire....one SW from a Damascus line stud.
Any suggestions on a mating?
She has 4 racing age colts....one being unplaced (one start at four).
She currently has a yearling filly by Chanate, a weanling filly by Lit de Justice, and is in-foal to Decarchy. She throws gorgeous, balanced, correct foals that are short coupled with very nice hips.
I think Ruhlman is killing her....the rest of the family is doing very well.

Any suggestions?

[BargainBlueblood]

Where is the mare located, and what price range are you looking at for stud fee? Breeding to race or to sell?

[barbfool]

Where is the mare located, and what price range are you looking at for stud fee? Breeding to race or to sell?

I live in the Phoenix area but breed in mid to southern Calif. I sell at yearling sales. The intent is to raise Cal-breds to take advantagee of the Breeders award program.
$3.5k - $7.5k is my range for stud fees.

[BJ]

The mare is Lady Nancy O'Brien, by Ruhlman out of Irish O'Brien

I bought the mare on pedigree and conformation. Both are great. However, since the purchase I have come to realize Ruhlman sucks as a broodmare sire....one SW from a Damascus line stud.
Any suggestions on a mating?
She has 4 racing age colts....one being unplaced (one start at four).
She currently has a yearling filly by Chanate, a weanling filly by Lit de Justice, and is in-foal to Decarchy. She throws gorgeous, balanced, correct foals that are short coupled with very nice hips.
I think Ruhlman is killing her....the rest of the family is doing very well.

Any suggestions?

Barb,

I have a Ruhlman line filly. They are slow to mature, so just be patient. Your mare is no doubt a looker. Probably, because this is a "speed" minded business, his progeny were not given the time they needed. Interesting that the Damascus cross (also mostly a late blooming, albeit precocious appearing) worked best with Ruhlman mares. There's a REAL message there, IMO...Patience will pay off!

Take a look at the Hypo-mating with Redattore (5x5 Tom Fool, etc), then check out his catalog page at http://www.harrisfarms.com. I think the running styles and class fits Ruhlmann to the "T".

http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.php? ... lor=000000

[BargainBlueblood]

Have you looked at Capsized as a possible matchup?

[fastappy]

How about Swiss Yodeler@$7,500.
Bold Ruler 4S X 5D, HTR 6s X 4D, Djebel 6S X 6S X 6D, Pocahontas (Dam of Chieftain & Tom Rolfe & B.O.Y.) 6S X 5D.

Bold Ruler is also prominent in Blaze O'brien's pedigree (Intrepid hero's broodmare sire) and 4 of the 5 stakes horses (listed on Del Mar) by Rulhman are inbred to either Nasrullah, his son Bold Ruler, or his son Chieftain.

Steel Ruhlr (Bold Ruler 4S X 4D), Tax Problem (Bold Ruler 4S X 4D X 4D), Cabo King (Nasrullah 5S X 5D), & Cool N Collective (Chieftan 3s x 4d) & (Turn To 4S X 4D, HTR over Best Turn).

[louis finochio]

A TB breeder must do his research before he purchases his TB. You will learn from this experience as you must crawl before you walk.

If after breeding your mare to stallions of different sire lines, and you are fireing blanks, its time to find another mare and hope for the best.

[barbfool]

A TB breeder must do his research before he purchases his TB. You will learn from this experience as you must crawl before you walk.

If after breeding your mare to stallions of different sire lines, and you are fireing blanks, its time to find another mare and hope for the best.

Fastappy....thank you so much. Exactly what I was looking for, a thought out, intelligent solution. The inbreeding you mentioned makes sense and I can't go wrong with Swiss Yodeler as I breed for the sales.

Louis Finochio....are you a moron or just an arrogant s.o.b.? Have you never been to a sale and found a soft spot? Not having planned on buying said horse, not having rersearched it, but realizing the value, you purchase said animal.

I stole this mare.

This conformation with this pedigree for $1400....are you kidding me? I'm sure I'm not the only sucker out there willing to take a shot with this mare at that price.
You speak of sinners and stones and such.....Louis, take your bag of rocks and beat it!

[fastappy]

I looked at both Old Topper & Swiss Yodeler (Both Damascus line, both productive and have precocious foals) as a match with your mare, depending which will best compliment her physical matchup & dispostion.

Swiss babies thus far have sold better & I liked the inbreeding to a significant female in the family. Best of luck.

[louis finochio]

Swiss Yodeler would be a leading QH stallion, I favor Benchmark as his female family is from the Calumet Farm fold.

[barbfool]

I looked at both Old Topper & Swiss Yodeler (Both Damascus line, both productive and have precocious foals) as a match with your mare, depending which will best compliment her physical matchup & dispostion.

Swiss babies thus far have sold better & I liked the inbreeding to a significant female in the family. Best of luck.

I like Swiss Yodeler alot....thanx. Just for grins I ran a hypo on her yearling filly by Chanate....check it out! 4x4 Hail to Reason, 5x5 Bold Ruler and Tom Fool.....what do you think?

[louis finochio]

You judge a stallion by the quality of mares it has in its portfolio.

SY has a under-performing portfolio of quality mares.

One reason is because SY progeny fails to consistently win beyond sprint distances.

[fastappy]

Swiss Yodeler (SY) is currently ranked 3rd in the California by earnings and 42nd Nationally (13th by Juvenile sires) and does well in the sales. Old Topper has very similar stats & both have higher AEI's vs CI's.

Both stallions would be good choices, but if you want to sell I would (at this time) go with S.Y. Louis, S.Y.'s AEI of 1.36 vs 1.09, indicates that of the 189 starters, he has done better with those mares overall, than other sires bred to those same mares. His median earnings per starter is 20K and his lifetime average per starter is 42K.

If you want to breed to a Damascus line sire who will get you a fast & precocious horse and will sell well, S.Y. is difficult to knock. I like Old Topper as well.

Barbfool, I like the cross with S.Y., I don't think you can go wrong with that breeding. Just make sure he's a good physical compliment for your mare. Good Luck! (really you won't need it!) JPD

[Sysonby]

You might want to look at the incentives as well. Momentum has that triple fee guarantee and I just learned that the people standing Marino Marini are offering a $500,000 reward to the outside breeder of the first Grade 1. In the case of MM, I've seen several babies and they are exceptional and look like sales material.