Arch

[LaTroienne]

Arch is really having a fantastic year! He just got 2 gr. I winning fillies in the Del Mar Oaks and Alabama (gr. I) winners, and has Les Arcs!

[louis finochio]

Arch is bred on a pattern of Phalaris speed and stamina of those NP sire lines.

Arch's offspring will get better with age, as his pedigree reads stamina and late developers. Arch will be a good sire for those Euro turf races, as those Euro trainers will take their time and wait on those late developing TB.

Welcome Arch we need your stamina in the USA.

[mikec]

Yessiree...he's on my short list for next year along with Yonaguska, Royal Academy & Holy Bull.

[ragsdaj1]

o.k. mikec, every time you post your short list is getting longer

[mikec]

You're right on top of that one Jon...nice pick up ! I had to add Yonaguska just this week simply because of his top line. If you take a look at 2 of the 3 sons of Tabasco Cat currently standing at stud you'll see that Buckpasser ( Tom Fool ) is a common ingredient and Tom Fool is really the key to Blushing Groom in my humble opinion. Add to that Yonaguska has Silver Ghost who's Daughter, Marital Spook, is a 1/2 sister to Cat's at Home who is one of the two son's of Tabasco Cat on the leading 1st crop sire list. So ; I'm basically duplicating the entire female side of Cat's at Home and depositing it on the top side ( albeit the sire's dam's line ) of the hypothetical foal with the addition of Silver Ghost ( an A nick all by himself ) as an added bonus. All of these guys get along quite well with Fappiano so should work well with the Unbridled in Bebe. Silver Ghost also loves Graustark, Key to the Mint & Sauce Boat. So ; hopefully one great big happy family !!
I found it necessary to re-think Holy Bull here. Although I don't like to put a whole lot of faith in dosage numbers I just felt like starting out with a DI of 7 + was stretching it just a bit.
RoyalAcademy is having a super year so it wouldn't surprise me if his fee goes up exponentially meaning - I can wait - so I went digging around for something to hold me over 1 year until I can get the price I want for the stud I want. In the meantime I came up with Yonaguska - can't say the foal would be a 1/2 or 3/4 to anybody but all the ingredients are there - just hidden.

[ragsdaj1]

MikeC,

No problem, it was just an observation. Your reasoning is sound, but I have a question.

Carly Pooh GSV is 67.72.
Mate with Arch nets progeny 67.98
Mate with Yonaguska nets 59.19

What is your GSV opinion? I have a mare where I get a similar ten point swing depending on the sire. Sometimes I do fret over it not that I've ever lost sleep. I've never heard anybody say when talking about hip numbers, "Oh the GSV is too low," so I dont know if really matters anyway.

JonR

[mikec]

Well ; my honest answer to your question is I don't pay any attention to it ever. My reasoning is that if I took into account all the various DI, DP, GSV statistics, etc, etc ad infinitum I'd probably have to rule out the entire stallion register at some point. Mostly I go with my gut and rely on Alan Porter to provide the basic information. Oddly enough we haven't used one of his selections for either mare yet but that's a matter of where I feel the stud fees are and no slight to his analysis which is excellent.

[ragsdaj1]

I suppose if someone pinned me down I would have to say that GSV is the only number I look at of the ones you mention, but if it is on the -10 side I am more picky about the influences I want to bring in and the up front perfomance of the first two generations.

[mikec]

Yep ; that sounds more than reasonable to me. Bottom line is...there's way too much clutter rattlin' around inside my fuzzy noggin as it is so I need to conserve space. Now ; at least I've got it narrowed down to 2 studs for 2007 - Arch & Yonaguska. If I go with Yonaguska I'll have violated 2 of my own rules in one year...never, ever go with a first crop sire in the second year and don't deal with Storm Cat. Just going all to hell with myself !

[oliverstoned]

I think Arch's success bodes well for Rock Hard Ten because they are really the only sons of Kris S to go to stud with any kind of bottom line.

[Melhor_Ainda]

Arch. If he stays anywhere near what he is now, you've got a steal. His get look like they like both surfaces.

Yonaguska hasn't really had much going yet, so I'd take something proven.

[London]

I'm thinking of breeding a Septieme Ciel mare to Arch next year. I'd imagine unless he gets a massive horse on the dirt, his fee will remain the same in 09.

After looking at his blacktype horses, there seems to be some affinity for Seattle Slew blood. Am I imagining this or do other's see it as well?

Thanks!

[ratherrapid]

you'd think it a decent combo merely from conformation. but, i'd have to think that a horse that looks like Arch would go with almost anything. pretty good race record as well. but, i'm a bit prejudiced since i have one

[DDT]

London

I see only two stakes winners from the Arch/Seattle Slew cross, Arch Swing out of a Slew O' Gold mare and Montgomerys Arch out of a Seattle Slew mare. The cross appears to have more negatives to me. Arch does much better with Mr. Prospector line mares. And, because the "nick" has much more to do with the individual mare than the sire line represented, it is up to you to decide how she might do with Arch.

DDT

[kimberley mine]

If you have a mare carrying Bois Roussel, take a good hard look at him. 4 of his 5 Gr-1 winners (3 of whom are champions) carry Bois Roussel, plus he has a good filly out of a Gone West mare (who has BR via Persian Maid).