Does anyone have any info on a young stallion named Outofthebox standing at Ocala Stud?
Thanks,
Laurie
Outofthebox
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Outofthebox
So many pedigrees...so little time. (C)
His only stakes win was in the 2001 Super Derby (G1); he placed in six other stakes while winning five of 16 starts. I can't say I particularly liked him when I saw hin at Ocala Stud last year; granted, I had just gotten through seeing his daddy Montbrook, who is a stallion with great presence and balance and a lovely walk, so he probably suffered somewhat by comparison. Nonetheless, he seemed to lack Montbrook's balance; I can't be very specific as I'm no great expert on conformation, but there was just something about the way his forelegs matched up with the rest of him that didn't seem right to me. He certainly didn't have Montbrook's presence. Check the "Old Bess" thread on the General Discussion forum for Pete's fine summary of the female family.
"A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher...You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse." C. S. Lewis
Thanks for your response, Mahubah. I really like Montbrook, but right now the $20K fee is a little out of the question for me. I was looking at Outofthebox as an alternative, but don't quite understand the $7,500 fee. Is seems he should be more in the range of $3,500-$5,000, unless I'm missing something major.
Hopefully, I'll be able to see both of these stallions in June when I'm in Ocala.
Laurie
Hopefully, I'll be able to see both of these stallions in June when I'm in Ocala.
Laurie
So many pedigrees...so little time. (C)
You might want to take time to stop and look at another Montbrook son as well, Pure Precision. He stands at Lou-Roe Farm near Morriston, FL (about 30-40 minutes from Ocala) for $4000 and was a G3-winning sprinter. I remember him as being a pretty nice-looking horse, and the female family is reasonably solid; his dam's a G3 winner and a half sister to Straight Man (G2). Lou-Roe's an easy farm to visit since they have regular visiting hours 1-4pm daily; just let them know in advance when to expect you (they've got a website).
I haven't seen another Montbrook son, Snuck In, but he's at Cloverleaf Farms II, Reddick, FL (that's also Ocala area) for $2500. He was a pretty quick horse and won the Rebel S. (G3) as a 3yo. Female family isn't nearly as good as Pure Precision's though.
I haven't seen another Montbrook son, Snuck In, but he's at Cloverleaf Farms II, Reddick, FL (that's also Ocala area) for $2500. He was a pretty quick horse and won the Rebel S. (G3) as a 3yo. Female family isn't nearly as good as Pure Precision's though.
"A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher...You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse." C. S. Lewis
Another Buckaroo Son In LA
Erlton is standing at Red River Farm in LA. Like Montbrook a son of Buckaroo. Stands for $1,500.00, winners of 8 black type races and his first crop are yearlings. Foals look great. An option for folks in that area.
hi ZiaLand...hi Mahubah
Outofthebox is a tall drink of water that has few (if any) of his sire Montbrook's best qualities. He's colored like his dam's sire Notebook...but Notebook was a real looker. It's probably fair to say that Outofthebox leans (physically) toward the lightweight category...and doesn't seem to exude much in the way of stallion-like qualities...and that concerns me. He's NOTHING to write home about...not bad...but just a horse (physically anyway).
Pure Precision is a neater...more compact...stronger...more masculine-type of horse (and has lots more bone than Outofthebox)...but his front end (knees in particular) may be a bit much for some to get past. I suggest his photo (in the TB Times Stallion Directory) might be a one in a million...to the extent that I don't believe Pure Precision presents himself (in person) as well as the TB Times Stallion photo depicts him.
If you are careful in selecting an appropriate mare (that might improve upon his front-end issues) I expect that Pure Precision could be very interesting. Beware though...his dam's half-brother is the struggling young stallion, Straight Man. That might mean nothing...but it might mean something.
Snuck In is a handsome guy...and is a bit longer than his sire Montbrook. At a quick glance there seems to be some similarities between SI and Montbrook...but Montbrook has a fabulous walk...and has a far more athletic way about him than Snuck In.
Of the three...I suggest that Pure Precision is a typier kind of horse...and might be the most interesting...physically. Of the three Montbrook sons...I would expect that Pure Precision would probably sire more-the-kind that would appeal to the pinhookers...but again, beware of his front end when selecting a mare.
Respectfully
Outofthebox is a tall drink of water that has few (if any) of his sire Montbrook's best qualities. He's colored like his dam's sire Notebook...but Notebook was a real looker. It's probably fair to say that Outofthebox leans (physically) toward the lightweight category...and doesn't seem to exude much in the way of stallion-like qualities...and that concerns me. He's NOTHING to write home about...not bad...but just a horse (physically anyway).
Pure Precision is a neater...more compact...stronger...more masculine-type of horse (and has lots more bone than Outofthebox)...but his front end (knees in particular) may be a bit much for some to get past. I suggest his photo (in the TB Times Stallion Directory) might be a one in a million...to the extent that I don't believe Pure Precision presents himself (in person) as well as the TB Times Stallion photo depicts him.
If you are careful in selecting an appropriate mare (that might improve upon his front-end issues) I expect that Pure Precision could be very interesting. Beware though...his dam's half-brother is the struggling young stallion, Straight Man. That might mean nothing...but it might mean something.
Snuck In is a handsome guy...and is a bit longer than his sire Montbrook. At a quick glance there seems to be some similarities between SI and Montbrook...but Montbrook has a fabulous walk...and has a far more athletic way about him than Snuck In.
Of the three...I suggest that Pure Precision is a typier kind of horse...and might be the most interesting...physically. Of the three Montbrook sons...I would expect that Pure Precision would probably sire more-the-kind that would appeal to the pinhookers...but again, beware of his front end when selecting a mare.
Respectfully
I can't find my notes at present from my visit to Lou-Roe, but I don't recall any huge problems with Pure Precision -- he didn't have an obvious toe-in or out and walked well enough. Probably has his daddy's offset knees, though; that's a problem I'm still not much on spotting. Being a little flat at the knee is common enough with the Buckpasser line anyhow, so I'd hesitate to breed a mare with less than good knee conformation (or with parents with problems in this area) to a horse from this line in any event.
"A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher...You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse." C. S. Lewis
hi Mahubah
No "huge problem" (your words). If there was I wouldn't recommend him under just about any conditions.
I suggest that Pure Precision is offset...probably at least a bit more than his sire Montbrook...and his overall front-end structure and alignment might have been a contributing factor to his rather sparse career as a racehorse. Furthermore...he is not as well proportioned or as fluid a mover as Montbrook either...but he does have a look which seems to feed the idea that he could sire you a foal with a robust...powerhouse body...and afterburners.
Unfortunately for Pure Precision...his connections (not the farm ownership/managment) apparently set down such stringent rules upon his retirement to stud...that the horse was not afforded (at least during his first year at stud) the opportunity he might have otherwise received. I mean...no incentives...no special considerations...no discounts...no commissions (Nada...zero...nothing). That's what it might have taken to help load his book up. Regardless...I suggest that breeders be careful when selecting mares to breed to him.
Outofthebox seems to have been managed better...but is not as interesting a young stallion on the end of a leadshank (as far as I'm concerned). He looks more-the-type that might get you a later kind of horse...not a brilliant runner with plenty of gas (whereas Pure Precision looks like he could inject some serious speed). I suggest that if Outofthebox gets some help from his mares (which very well may occur) he'll probably be okay (at least to some extent)...but I don't have much more to say about him other than that...Yawn.
Snuck In has always been kind of quiet...and never seems to be the beneficiary of any real "buzz." But I have seen a few pretty-good ones that look like runners (although most have that two-turn-horse look...certainly that's not an indictment). It wouldn't surprise me if he comes up with a couple of nice ones...but he needs to be ignited.
Of the three...Pure Precision is definitely his father's son...the same cannot honestly be said of Outofthebox (based on looks anyway)...and although Snuck In takes on his sires coloring and there are similarities in some features...he is not as fluid...as well proportioned or athletic looking a horse as his sire.
Best to you.
Respectfully
No "huge problem" (your words). If there was I wouldn't recommend him under just about any conditions.
I suggest that Pure Precision is offset...probably at least a bit more than his sire Montbrook...and his overall front-end structure and alignment might have been a contributing factor to his rather sparse career as a racehorse. Furthermore...he is not as well proportioned or as fluid a mover as Montbrook either...but he does have a look which seems to feed the idea that he could sire you a foal with a robust...powerhouse body...and afterburners.
Unfortunately for Pure Precision...his connections (not the farm ownership/managment) apparently set down such stringent rules upon his retirement to stud...that the horse was not afforded (at least during his first year at stud) the opportunity he might have otherwise received. I mean...no incentives...no special considerations...no discounts...no commissions (Nada...zero...nothing). That's what it might have taken to help load his book up. Regardless...I suggest that breeders be careful when selecting mares to breed to him.
Outofthebox seems to have been managed better...but is not as interesting a young stallion on the end of a leadshank (as far as I'm concerned). He looks more-the-type that might get you a later kind of horse...not a brilliant runner with plenty of gas (whereas Pure Precision looks like he could inject some serious speed). I suggest that if Outofthebox gets some help from his mares (which very well may occur) he'll probably be okay (at least to some extent)...but I don't have much more to say about him other than that...Yawn.
Snuck In has always been kind of quiet...and never seems to be the beneficiary of any real "buzz." But I have seen a few pretty-good ones that look like runners (although most have that two-turn-horse look...certainly that's not an indictment). It wouldn't surprise me if he comes up with a couple of nice ones...but he needs to be ignited.
Of the three...Pure Precision is definitely his father's son...the same cannot honestly be said of Outofthebox (based on looks anyway)...and although Snuck In takes on his sires coloring and there are similarities in some features...he is not as fluid...as well proportioned or athletic looking a horse as his sire.
Best to you.
Respectfully