Very classy response. Congrats on your new boy.
Just an FYI, alot of times this type of negative thread will generate even more business for you! Hope you have a zillion mares sent your way!
Judith
Umrigar - New stallion for True Colours Farm!
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Derbylover
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I'm not looking for trouble....
Nobody said he wasn't a nice stallion.....I have liked him for a long time but a few years back after talking to Norse Ridge I decided that he wouldn't be a stallion I could breed to. Anyone can call them up, his previous owner(don't know his new owner) and they never hid the fact that he only has one testicle and it was them that called him a rig. The testicle was removed, but the farm/owner never mentioned it was an injury that caused its removal ie. breeding accident, cancer, etc. it was made clear though that it was removed for training/race career.
I'm glad that he has a good home and he is lovely but my concern is that crypts are heritable in both colts and fillies and there are complications.
As for AP Indy, I wouldn't breed to him for that reason and it doesn't justify standing a stallion with a heritable condition. Its unethical to me, just like other heritable conditions like HYPP, Scids, etc but that is something people will choose for themselves, as long as given the chance.
I'm glad that he has a good home and he is lovely but my concern is that crypts are heritable in both colts and fillies and there are complications.
As for AP Indy, I wouldn't breed to him for that reason and it doesn't justify standing a stallion with a heritable condition. Its unethical to me, just like other heritable conditions like HYPP, Scids, etc but that is something people will choose for themselves, as long as given the chance.
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Galileo1998
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Derbylover - again, you really don't seem to know the facts. Norse Ridge stood Umrigar for a few years - the did not own him and never have owned him. They got him to stand when he was around 9 years old and had him until recently.
My contact has been with his prior owner, who was also his breeder - the person that actually owned the horse for his entire life and knows what the situation was when his testicle was removed, so I would be inclined to think he knows more about the situation. He has also bred a number of his own mares to Umrigar over the years and will continue to do so. Norse Ridge have also bred a number of mares to Umrigar while he stood there.
So - I will repeat. Umrigar had two decended testicles, one was removed after he went into training. Umrigar has produced about 20 foals so far, he has not produced a rig. Do what you will with that information, it really doesn't make a lot of difference to him or his future.
I am so confident in my statements about Umrigar I am breeding all of my own personal mares to him next year, something I wouldn't be doing if I thought he would pass on a heritable defect. You on the other hand are hiding behind a username with no profile and passing on information that simply isn't accurate.
You choose your stallions, I'll choose mine, I'm fine with that but I am not ok with an anonymous person trying to question my ethics.
My contact has been with his prior owner, who was also his breeder - the person that actually owned the horse for his entire life and knows what the situation was when his testicle was removed, so I would be inclined to think he knows more about the situation. He has also bred a number of his own mares to Umrigar over the years and will continue to do so. Norse Ridge have also bred a number of mares to Umrigar while he stood there.
So - I will repeat. Umrigar had two decended testicles, one was removed after he went into training. Umrigar has produced about 20 foals so far, he has not produced a rig. Do what you will with that information, it really doesn't make a lot of difference to him or his future.
I am so confident in my statements about Umrigar I am breeding all of my own personal mares to him next year, something I wouldn't be doing if I thought he would pass on a heritable defect. You on the other hand are hiding behind a username with no profile and passing on information that simply isn't accurate.
You choose your stallions, I'll choose mine, I'm fine with that but I am not ok with an anonymous person trying to question my ethics.
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Galileo1998
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Briarhalo I'm not offended at all 
Umrigar is indeed a lovely horse, you should come and meet him sometime 
Umrigar is indeed a lovely horse, you should come and meet him sometime -
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Re: I'm not looking for trouble....
Derbylover wrote:Nobody said he wasn't a nice stallion.....I have liked him for a long time but a few years back after talking to Norse Ridge I decided that he wouldn't be a stallion I could breed to. Anyone can call them up, his previous owner(don't know his new owner) and they never hid the fact that he only has one testicle and it was them that called him a rig. The testicle was removed, but the farm/owner never mentioned it was an injury that caused its removal ie. breeding accident, cancer, etc. it was made clear though that it was removed for training/race career.
I'm glad that he has a good home and he is lovely but my concern is that crypts are heritable in both colts and fillies and there are complications.
As for AP Indy, I wouldn't breed to him for that reason and it doesn't justify standing a stallion with a heritable condition. Its unethical to me, just like other heritable conditions like HYPP, Scids, etc but that is something people will choose for themselves, as long as given the chance.
I guess Seattle Slew would have been off your list as well as he sired A P Indy and many other ridgelings too.
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Galileo1998, I can't see that his previous owner would lie so I'm sure you just misunderstood because Umrigar is a rig. He had one undecended testicle. But no big deal so why all the fuss? Just curious how you would know that none of his offspring have been rigs because noone would announce it or care about it one way or another. They'd be gelded, raced and life would go on.
Nessa, you make very good points. As long as his offspring can run, what difference does it really make to anyone? There is no such thing as a perfect horse, they all have their flaws, but if they can do their job and do it well, that's all that counts in the scheme of things.
Congratulations on your new stallion Galileo1998 and don't sweat the small stuff. I hope you produce some stellar runners.
Nessa, you make very good points. As long as his offspring can run, what difference does it really make to anyone? There is no such thing as a perfect horse, they all have their flaws, but if they can do their job and do it well, that's all that counts in the scheme of things.
Congratulations on your new stallion Galileo1998 and don't sweat the small stuff. I hope you produce some stellar runners.
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Galileo1998
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D'Amigo - as you to are another brand new member who has failed to provide any profile or contact email I find it difficult to take you very seriously - and I anticipate that others will feel the same.
I'm a bit confused. I'm saying not to worry about the fact that he's a rig and that's it not a big deal and you and others aren't taking me seriously. Ok. Whatever. Obviously it's a major concern to you so I guess I'd have to wonder why you would buy him?
Since my number of posts, rather then my knowledge of the situation, is being called into question, give me 10 minutes and I'll make myself as established a member as you obviously are.
At this point I think the best thing for me to do is print up this thread and give it to Umrigar's "previous owner" and let him handle it in any manner he sees fit. But I think he should be made aware that you have stated publically that he said that the stallions one testicle was a result of an accident so that he is not involved in any lawsuits that could occur in the future from unsuspecting mare owners, because this state of denial seems to indicate it IS a big deal in certain areas.
On that note, I've been up since 4:00am and I see no need to waste any more valuable sleep time on you.
Since my number of posts, rather then my knowledge of the situation, is being called into question, give me 10 minutes and I'll make myself as established a member as you obviously are.
At this point I think the best thing for me to do is print up this thread and give it to Umrigar's "previous owner" and let him handle it in any manner he sees fit. But I think he should be made aware that you have stated publically that he said that the stallions one testicle was a result of an accident so that he is not involved in any lawsuits that could occur in the future from unsuspecting mare owners, because this state of denial seems to indicate it IS a big deal in certain areas.
On that note, I've been up since 4:00am and I see no need to waste any more valuable sleep time on you.
Before this gets ugly, let me step in. We are hundreds of members strong, and each member has their own opinion on everything; hence, no two opinions are often the same.
However, there comes a time when posts go from "informative" to "beating a dead horse," and that's when arguments start and tempers flare. There is also a lot of "he said she said" that shows up on this forum from time to time, and each member is left to decipher what they think is fact and what they think is fiction.
Let's all understand that everyone is an adult and will make their own decision on this matter if they are interested in breeding to this stallion. I'm sure that the stallion's owner, who has identified herself in this thread, would be willing and able to provide more detailed information to those who may request it while making the decision of who to breed their mare to. If you are one of those people, I would like to kindly suggest that you contact the stallion owner privately.
However, there comes a time when posts go from "informative" to "beating a dead horse," and that's when arguments start and tempers flare. There is also a lot of "he said she said" that shows up on this forum from time to time, and each member is left to decipher what they think is fact and what they think is fiction.
Let's all understand that everyone is an adult and will make their own decision on this matter if they are interested in breeding to this stallion. I'm sure that the stallion's owner, who has identified herself in this thread, would be willing and able to provide more detailed information to those who may request it while making the decision of who to breed their mare to. If you are one of those people, I would like to kindly suggest that you contact the stallion owner privately.
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