hi Pete
You wrote "I believe I know the feeling that you're trying to convey, something that stuck in your mind that you didn't like physically about him but would you have preferred Mr. Prospector to Secretariat in 1975?"
If preferred means...biggest opportunity...most spectacular book...horses at the premier sales...getting into the hands of the premier trainers etc etc etc...everything (on the surface anyway) appearing to be in his favor...it's Secretariat hands down.
If preferred means no nonsense...brilliant speed...afterburners...a track record setting, blow-em away racing style that captured my imagination...and a quality pedigree (although maybe at the time poo-pooed by some as compared to Secretariat's)...and overall robust structure, conformation and proportion that very much appealed to me (although his front-end was criticized by some)...it was Mr Prospector hands down. He was my kind of horse.
I further suggest...
...we might agree...Secretariat retired to stud with all the fanfare as a Glorious...already Legendary racehorse (and champion...horse of the year and triple crown winner) with the hope (maybe expectation is a better word) of greatness as a sire connected to him. It's hard to deny that all of that coupled with a record-setting syndication which included some of (what might be described as) the Who's Who of the world of thoroughbreds...was arguably difficult (probably for anyone) to poo-poo.
It would also be difficult to deny that Secretariat was exciting, had the charisma, and appeared (at least on the surface and without serious scrutiny...physical or otherwise) to be a complete package.
That being said...what I perceived to be his excessive...thick...disproportionately heavy in relation to the rest of his body (or whatever you want to call it) neck and shoulder had a significant affect on my first impression of him...but after all, he was the great-Secretariat (darling of the fans, the media and horsemen) and maybe that's what a neck and shoulder were supposed to look like. Who was I to question what a neck and shoulder should look like on a great racehorse and triple crown winner...and who was I to proclaim (or even doubt) that this might possibly affect him negatively as a sire.
As far as Mr Prospector was concerned...he was relatively unheralded when retired to stud to barely known Aisco Farm (certainly as compared to Secretariat...who retired to the thoroughbred kingdom known as Claiborne)...but fact is that Mr Prospector had serious credentials (as far as I was concerned). He was the highest-priced yearling of 1971 (and one of the highest priced of all time)...and he could FLY...his 6 furlong track record at Gulfstream Park was quite an accomplishment when he set it (to my way of thinking)...proof of the pudding is it still stands today...1:07 4/5. Undeniably Mr Prospector was Freaky-fast...and his balance...strength and proportion appealed to me a lot more than top-heavy Secretariat's did. Furthermore, I never viewed Mr Prospector as just a horse (although arguably many might have accepted that description). I thought he was VERY special the first time I ever set eyes on him...WOW (to my way of thinking anyway).
For what it's worth...among triple crown winners...Seattle Slew was more my kind of horse than Secretariat...and Affirmed was more my kind of horse also...he could wire-the-field...come from behind...come through on the rail...go between horses. Secretariat's style was more one-dimensional (basically...come from behind and circle the field). What he accomplished was wonderful (and his Belmont was a race for the ages) but I did not like his running style as it relates to a stallion prospect (I never questioned his ability...just his style).
Fast forward to 2005...maybe a comparable to Secretariat v Mr Prospector as young stallion-prospects (at least maybe to some extent)...might be Smarty Jones v Speightstown (Smarty was clearly 2004's darling 3-year-old and Secretariat was the darling of his 3-yo year...and Speightstown was a brilliant fast sprinter as was Mr Prospector (although I never regarded Speightstown as the overall WOW package I felt Mr Prospector was).
It may not be a fair comparison (on many levels and/or in many ways etc)...but I ask you...who would you select as the stallion that ultimately will be more successful...Smarty Jones or Speightstown? Right or wrong...I don't expect that SJ's notoriety would stand in the way of you selecting Speightstown if you believed in him moreso than SJ (for whatever reasons). Even better than that...you're on record (correct me if I'm wrong) that you selected Lion Heart (who stands for $30k) as your Leading Freshman Sire candidate versus ALL stallions standing their first season at stud in 2005...which includes fan-favorite Smarty Jones (who stands for $100k).
Do you expect that Lion heart will be the superior sire over the long-term versus Smarty Jones?
I suggest that Secretariat's notoriety didn't affect my selection of Mr Prospector over Secretariat...and others. Not just a wild shot in the dark...but I genuinely believed that Mr Prospector had the qualities and prowess that made him the better choice. Secretariats shoulder and neck coupled with his running style ultimately tipped the scale (as far as I was concerned) in disfavor of him.
I'm not so sure (with your knowledge and skills at evaluating a stallion prospect) that had you scrutinized the two more closely (Secretariat and Mr Prospector)...that you might have weighted some of Mr Prospector's strengths a bit more, and maybe discounted (at least to some extent) what you perceived (if that's the right word) as some of Secretariat's strengths. Arguably Secretariat appeared to have everything in his favor (from a distance anyway) but I believed he had some obstacles to overcome if he was to become a successful sire...at least one being physical...and another, his running style (not his ability).
I know my choice (years ago) between Secretariat and Mr Prospector (without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight). I never doubted Mr Prospector's qualities as they related to potential sire success...but I had serious doubts re: some of Secretariat's...despite the magnitude of all of his accomplishments and his super-star notoriety.
You ask...would I have preferred Mr. Prospector to Secretariat when they both retired to stud? YES!
Respectfully
POINT GIVEN and MINNALOUSHE
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Hi FOS,
Sorry I missed this response till now.
Secretariat entered stud in 1973 with awesome expectations. He was the GREATest son of the GREAT Bold Ruler who was starting to turn out sires like a factory. Secretariat would certainly reshape the breed i his image. Anything remotely resembling a conformational fault was interpreted as being a specialized part of a perfect running machine that would soon be passed onto his stakes trampling get.
His fee was then set to an astonishing $60,000, unheard of at the time and the best mares were queued up for their dates with destiny.
I read articles that surpassed this in their certainty of Secretariat's becomming the greatest sire in history.
I never heard a word about the size or dimension of his shoulder until the 1980's when people were scrambling to explain his 'failure' at stud. Of course, he was no failure, he simply hadn't lived up to the expectations of us silly humans.
I can say that looking back, putting myself in that position with my knowledge and sensibilities from that time, that I would have selected Secretariat. Perhaps you would have chosen Mr. Prospector and I applaud your selectivity if that were the case.
Regards,
Pete
Sorry I missed this response till now.
Secretariat entered stud in 1973 with awesome expectations. He was the GREATest son of the GREAT Bold Ruler who was starting to turn out sires like a factory. Secretariat would certainly reshape the breed i his image. Anything remotely resembling a conformational fault was interpreted as being a specialized part of a perfect running machine that would soon be passed onto his stakes trampling get.
His fee was then set to an astonishing $60,000, unheard of at the time and the best mares were queued up for their dates with destiny.
I read articles that surpassed this in their certainty of Secretariat's becomming the greatest sire in history.
I never heard a word about the size or dimension of his shoulder until the 1980's when people were scrambling to explain his 'failure' at stud. Of course, he was no failure, he simply hadn't lived up to the expectations of us silly humans.
I can say that looking back, putting myself in that position with my knowledge and sensibilities from that time, that I would have selected Secretariat. Perhaps you would have chosen Mr. Prospector and I applaud your selectivity if that were the case.
Regards,
Pete
Has a palomino jean that pop up some.
This stallion is DNA ... all foal can be MBNA inrolled.
Horses like their credit cards. - Four Forty Farms
This stallion is DNA ... all foal can be MBNA inrolled.
Horses like their credit cards. - Four Forty Farms
Pete wrote:
Secretariat entered stud in 1973 with awesome expectations. He was the GREATest son of the GREAT Bold Ruler who was starting to turn out sires like a factory.
You bring up an interesting point. In the late 70s, the Bold Ruler line was poised to take over the world. Secretariat, Wajima, Foolish Pleasure, Slew, Bold Bidder, Honest Pleasure, Bold Forbes, Spectacular Bid, What A Pleasure--the number of A list stallions seemed to go on and on. But in the 80s, with the exception of Seattle Slew, it just stopped and within 2 decades there aren't many non Slew line stallions that are tail male to Bold Ruler.
Given how spectacular the fall and how fast, I find it a bit of a mystery.
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Black Minnaloushe got his first Stakes Winner Saturday At saratoga in the With Anticipation Stakes .
Saratoga - September 3rd, 2005 - Race 9
Race name: With Anticipation S.
Stakes - For Thoroughbred Two Year Old (R ) One And One Sixteenth Miles On The Turf (Temp Rail set at 12 feet)
Purse: $65,000
Available Money: $67,200
Value of Race: $67,200 1st $40,320, 2nd $13,440, 3rd $6,720, 4th $3,360, 5th $2,016, 6th $269, 7th $269, 8th $269, 9th $269, 10th $268
Weather: Clear Track: Good
Off at: 5:23 Start: Good for all
Pgm HorseName (Jockey) Wgt M/E PP SP 1/4 1/2 3/4 Str Fin Odds
4 Stream Cat (Stevens, G.L.) 117 b 4 1 3-1 1/2 3-1/2 5-1 1/2 2-Head 1-1 1/2 3.00
10 Metro Meteor (Velasquez, C.H.) 116 L b 10 5 1-2 1/2 1-1 1-Head 1-1 1/2 2-3/4 29.50
3 Immersed in Gold (Prado, E.S.) 118 L 3 2 5-1/2 5-Head 8-2 4-2 3-1 1/4 8.40
2 Church Service (Dominguez, R.A.) 118 L f 2 8 9-Head 10 7-1/2 7-1/2 4-1 1.60*
6 Mister Zee (Coa, E.) 114 b 6 7 8-1/2 7-1/2 6-1 1/2 6-1/2 5-1/2 8.10
1 Perfect Cruise (Boucher, R.) 118 1 3 7-1/2 9-Head 10 8-10 6-1/2 21.90
8 Jimmy Jammer (Bejarano, R.) 116 L 8 6 4-1/2 4-1 3-1/2 5-1/2 7-1 1/4 12.00
7 Trading Pro (Velazquez, J.R.) 116 L b 7 4 2-1/2 2-1 2-1/2 3-1/2 8-8 1/2 11.10
9 Unbridled Behavior (Santos, J.A.) 118 L 9 9 6-1/2 6-Head 9-Head 10 9-2 1/4 12.70
5 L. I. Ice Tea (Jara, F.) 114 L b 5 10 10 8-1/2 4-1/2 9-Head 10 72.25
Fractional Times: 24.50, 50.41, 1:16.01, 1:39.41, 1:45.20
Winner: Stream Cat - Dark Bay or Brown Colt, February 08, 2003
Bred by Matthews Breeding and Racing, Ltd. in KY
Pedigree: Black Minnaloushe - Water Course , by Irish River (FR)
Pgm Horse Win Place Show Total WPS Pool: $726,144
4 Stream Cat 8.00 5.40 4.30
10 Metro Meteor 21.20 11.20
3 Immersed in Gold 4.90
Wager Type Winning Numbers Payoff Pool Carryover
$2 Pick 3 4-1-4 (3 correct) 105.50 162,450
$2 Exacta 4-10 230.00 600,183
$2 Superfecta 4-10-3-2 4,304.00 134,875
$2 Trifecta 4-10-3 1,956.00 406,997
Pgm Comment
4 Stream Cat: close up in hand, saved ground, swung wide, quick move, hand ride
10 Metro Meteor: quickly clear, set pace, responded when roused, gamely inside
3 Immersed in Gold: in hand inside, saved ground inside move, altered course, gamely
2 Church Service: outrun early, 4 wide move into stretch, good finish outside
6 Mister Zee: rated along inside, no rally
1 Perfect Cruise: taken back inside, no rally
8 Jimmy Jammer: close up outside, 3 wide move second turn, tired stretch
7 Trading Pro: speed outside, chase pace, tired stretch
9 Unbridled Behavior: awkward start, 3 wide trip, tired
5 L. I. Ice Tea: steadied after start, 4 wide move second turn, tired
Footnotes
STREAM CAT raced close up along the inside while well in hand, saved ground throughout, swung to the outside entering the stretch, accelerated quickly when set down, ran by pacesetter METRO METEOR inside the eighth pole and drew clear under a vigorous hand ride. METRO METEOR quickly opened a clear lead, set the pace along the inside, responded when roused and dug in gamely to the wire. IMMERSED IN GOLD was rated along inside, saved ground, rallied inside into the stretch, altered course in deep stretch and finished gamely. CHURCH SERVICE was outrun early, rallied four wide into the stretch and finished well outside. MISTER ZEE was rated along inside and lacked a rally. PERFECT CRUISE was taken back along the inside and lacked a rally. JIMMY JAMMER raced close up outside, put in a three wide run on the second turn and tired in the stretch. TRADING PRO chased the pace from the outside and tired in the stretch. UNBRIDLED BEHAVIOR broke awkwardly, raced three wide and tired. L. I. ICE TEA was steadied after the start, put in a four wide run on the second turn and tired in the stretch.
Owners: 4 - Fab Oak Stable, Hurley, Robert E. and Team Derby Dreams Stable, 10 - Obviously NY Stable, 3 - Broman, Sr., Mary and Chester, 2 -Peter F. Karches, 6 - Flying Zee Stable, 1 - Springer, William, F., 8 -James J. Barry, 7 - Klaravich Stables, Inc., 9 - Haines, Dennis, G., 5 - McMaster, Marilyn
Trainers: 4 -Patrick L. Biancone, 10 -Linda Rice, 3 -John C. Kimmel, 2 -Lisa L. Lewis, 6 -Patrick L. Biancone, 1 -John D. Melton, 8 -Charles Simon, 7 -Richard A. Violette, Jr., 9 -Raymond W. Zegowitz, 5 -Bryan R. Baker
Saratoga - September 3rd, 2005 - Race 9
Race name: With Anticipation S.
Stakes - For Thoroughbred Two Year Old (R ) One And One Sixteenth Miles On The Turf (Temp Rail set at 12 feet)
Purse: $65,000
Available Money: $67,200
Value of Race: $67,200 1st $40,320, 2nd $13,440, 3rd $6,720, 4th $3,360, 5th $2,016, 6th $269, 7th $269, 8th $269, 9th $269, 10th $268
Weather: Clear Track: Good
Off at: 5:23 Start: Good for all
Pgm HorseName (Jockey) Wgt M/E PP SP 1/4 1/2 3/4 Str Fin Odds
4 Stream Cat (Stevens, G.L.) 117 b 4 1 3-1 1/2 3-1/2 5-1 1/2 2-Head 1-1 1/2 3.00
10 Metro Meteor (Velasquez, C.H.) 116 L b 10 5 1-2 1/2 1-1 1-Head 1-1 1/2 2-3/4 29.50
3 Immersed in Gold (Prado, E.S.) 118 L 3 2 5-1/2 5-Head 8-2 4-2 3-1 1/4 8.40
2 Church Service (Dominguez, R.A.) 118 L f 2 8 9-Head 10 7-1/2 7-1/2 4-1 1.60*
6 Mister Zee (Coa, E.) 114 b 6 7 8-1/2 7-1/2 6-1 1/2 6-1/2 5-1/2 8.10
1 Perfect Cruise (Boucher, R.) 118 1 3 7-1/2 9-Head 10 8-10 6-1/2 21.90
8 Jimmy Jammer (Bejarano, R.) 116 L 8 6 4-1/2 4-1 3-1/2 5-1/2 7-1 1/4 12.00
7 Trading Pro (Velazquez, J.R.) 116 L b 7 4 2-1/2 2-1 2-1/2 3-1/2 8-8 1/2 11.10
9 Unbridled Behavior (Santos, J.A.) 118 L 9 9 6-1/2 6-Head 9-Head 10 9-2 1/4 12.70
5 L. I. Ice Tea (Jara, F.) 114 L b 5 10 10 8-1/2 4-1/2 9-Head 10 72.25
Fractional Times: 24.50, 50.41, 1:16.01, 1:39.41, 1:45.20
Winner: Stream Cat - Dark Bay or Brown Colt, February 08, 2003
Bred by Matthews Breeding and Racing, Ltd. in KY
Pedigree: Black Minnaloushe - Water Course , by Irish River (FR)
Pgm Horse Win Place Show Total WPS Pool: $726,144
4 Stream Cat 8.00 5.40 4.30
10 Metro Meteor 21.20 11.20
3 Immersed in Gold 4.90
Wager Type Winning Numbers Payoff Pool Carryover
$2 Pick 3 4-1-4 (3 correct) 105.50 162,450
$2 Exacta 4-10 230.00 600,183
$2 Superfecta 4-10-3-2 4,304.00 134,875
$2 Trifecta 4-10-3 1,956.00 406,997
Pgm Comment
4 Stream Cat: close up in hand, saved ground, swung wide, quick move, hand ride
10 Metro Meteor: quickly clear, set pace, responded when roused, gamely inside
3 Immersed in Gold: in hand inside, saved ground inside move, altered course, gamely
2 Church Service: outrun early, 4 wide move into stretch, good finish outside
6 Mister Zee: rated along inside, no rally
1 Perfect Cruise: taken back inside, no rally
8 Jimmy Jammer: close up outside, 3 wide move second turn, tired stretch
7 Trading Pro: speed outside, chase pace, tired stretch
9 Unbridled Behavior: awkward start, 3 wide trip, tired
5 L. I. Ice Tea: steadied after start, 4 wide move second turn, tired
Footnotes
STREAM CAT raced close up along the inside while well in hand, saved ground throughout, swung to the outside entering the stretch, accelerated quickly when set down, ran by pacesetter METRO METEOR inside the eighth pole and drew clear under a vigorous hand ride. METRO METEOR quickly opened a clear lead, set the pace along the inside, responded when roused and dug in gamely to the wire. IMMERSED IN GOLD was rated along inside, saved ground, rallied inside into the stretch, altered course in deep stretch and finished gamely. CHURCH SERVICE was outrun early, rallied four wide into the stretch and finished well outside. MISTER ZEE was rated along inside and lacked a rally. PERFECT CRUISE was taken back along the inside and lacked a rally. JIMMY JAMMER raced close up outside, put in a three wide run on the second turn and tired in the stretch. TRADING PRO chased the pace from the outside and tired in the stretch. UNBRIDLED BEHAVIOR broke awkwardly, raced three wide and tired. L. I. ICE TEA was steadied after the start, put in a four wide run on the second turn and tired in the stretch.
Owners: 4 - Fab Oak Stable, Hurley, Robert E. and Team Derby Dreams Stable, 10 - Obviously NY Stable, 3 - Broman, Sr., Mary and Chester, 2 -Peter F. Karches, 6 - Flying Zee Stable, 1 - Springer, William, F., 8 -James J. Barry, 7 - Klaravich Stables, Inc., 9 - Haines, Dennis, G., 5 - McMaster, Marilyn
Trainers: 4 -Patrick L. Biancone, 10 -Linda Rice, 3 -John C. Kimmel, 2 -Lisa L. Lewis, 6 -Patrick L. Biancone, 1 -John D. Melton, 8 -Charles Simon, 7 -Richard A. Violette, Jr., 9 -Raymond W. Zegowitz, 5 -Bryan R. Baker
Good luck with your forthcoming Minnaloushe.-
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I am feeling good 
It seems like nothing ever goes right for us in this business... But this will hopefully change it!
Seems like the last month of so our luck has started to change.. with my studs first baby winning as a 2yo (then bucking his shins though
) and getting Perfect Circle and now Breeding to Minnaloushe looking like a smart thing!
Lets just all hope that the Minnaloushe baby isn't as mean as his momma!
She is a horror lately! She has bit everyone at the farm in the past 2 weeks. (yep, me included as I picked out her feet)
It seems like nothing ever goes right for us in this business... But this will hopefully change it!
Seems like the last month of so our luck has started to change.. with my studs first baby winning as a 2yo (then bucking his shins though
) and getting Perfect Circle and now Breeding to Minnaloushe looking like a smart thing!
Lets just all hope that the Minnaloushe baby isn't as mean as his momma!
She is a horror lately! She has bit everyone at the farm in the past 2 weeks. (yep, me included as I picked out her feet)
Karie good luck with you BM foal. I happened to see Stream Cat at Keeneland and fell in love with him there. I had been keeping track of him since and was thrilled to see him break his maiden and become a stakes winner at the same time. His first race had me a bit worried, but this time he was able to come through. The groom was rather high on him when I was looking at him too, so hopefully he'll continue turning into something special.
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Had to post this!!! Now a graded stakes winner!
Wonder if the BC Juvy is next? Anyone know?
Turfway Park - September 17th, 2005 - Race 10
Race name: Kentucky Cup Juvenile S. Grade: 3
Stakes - For Thoroughbred Two Year Old One And One Sixteenth Miles On The All Weather Track
Purse: $100,000
Value of Race: $100,000 1st $62,000, 2nd $20,000, 3rd $10,000, 4th $5,000, 5th $3,000
Weather: Clear Track: Fast
Off at: 5:19 Start: Good for all
Pgm HorseName (Jockey) Wgt M/E PP SP 1/4 1/2 3/4 Str Fin Odds
1 Stream Cat (Stevens, G.L.) 118 b 1 7 8 8 7-1 3-1/2 1-1 3/4 2.50
6 Rungius (Castanon, J.L.) 116 L b 6 3 2-1 1/2 2-1 1/2 1-Head 1-Head 2-1 29.00
7 Cab (Valenzuela, P.A.) 114 L 7 1 3-Head 3-2 1/2 3-1/2 2-1/2 3-1 3/4 1.70*
2 Catcominatcha (Bejarano, R.) 114 L 2 5 5-6 5-2 1/2 4-Head 7-4 4-1 5.20
5 Short Circuit (Guidry, M.) 115 L b 5 4 1-1/2 1-Head 2-1/2 5-1 5-Neck 20.70
4 Deputy G (McKee, J.) 120 L 4 2 4-1 1/2 4-Head 5-Head 4-Head 6-1 1/2 4.00
9 Devilofarush (Borel, C.H.) 115 L b 8 8 7-2 6-1 6-2 1/2 6-1/2 7-7 1/2 41.40
3 He's a Dixie Boy (Perret, C.) 114 L 3 6 6-Head 7-1 1/2 8 8 8 7.80
Fractional Times: 23.96, 48.22, 1:13.79, 1:40.01, 1:46.42
Winner: Stream Cat - Dark Bay or Brown Colt, February 08, 2003
Bred by Matthews Breeding and Racing, Ltd. in KY
Pedigree: Black Minnaloushe - Water Course , by Irish River (FR)
Scratched Horses: Raywick
Pgm Horse Win Place Show Total WPS Pool: $263,970
1 Stream Cat 7.00 4.40 3.80
6 Rungius 15.20 8.20
7 Cab 3.00
Wager Type Winning Numbers Payoff Pool Carryover
$2 Pick 3 3-7-1 (3 correct) 413.40 19,876
$2 Pick 4 5-3-7-1 (3 correct) 16,229.20 31,210
$2 Daily Double 7-1 42.60 11,697
$2 Exacta 1-6 174.80 168,207
$2 Superfecta 1-6-7-2 3,030.80 59,451
$2 Trifecta 1-6-7 737.80 151,354
Pgm Comment
1 Stream Cat: reserved,off rail, middle move, angled out, quick move,drew clear
6 Rungius: vied for lead, off inside, held gamely
7 Cab: forwardly placed, 3 wide, 4 path 2nd turn, bid, weakened late
2 Catcominatcha: striking distance, rail, lacked room 3/16 pl, angled out, no bid
5 Short Circuit: alternated for lead, off inside, inside 2nd turn, tired late
4 Deputy G: behind leaders, off inside, middle move, waited 1/4 pl, hung
9 Devilofarush: outrun early, 4 wide middle move, weakened drive
3 He's a Dixie Boy: no factor
Footnotes
STREAM CAT reserved off the rail, made a solid move in the two path after five furlongs, came out three wide entering the stretch, made a quick move to the leaders in midstretch and drew clear late. RUNGIUS vied for the lead off the inside and held on gamely while no match for the winner late. CAB forwardly placed three wide, moved to challenge four wide on the second turn, stayed on well to inside the final furlong and weakened. CATCOMINATCHA within striking distance along the inside, lacked room along the inside in upper stretch, angled out with a furlong to go but had no late bid. SHORT CIRCUIT alternated for the lead off the inside, moved to the rail on the second turn, held on well to midstretch and tired. DEPUTY G behind the leaders off the inside, moved to a forward position after a half, waited behind the leaders with a quarter mile to go then failed to responded when clear in the stretch. DEVILOFARUSH outrun early, made a good four wide middle move to reach a challenging position with a quarter mile to go but weakened in the drive. HE'S A DIXIE BOY was no factor.
Owners: 1 - Fab Oak Stable, Hurley, Robert E. and Team Derby Dreams Stable, 6 -Mike G. Rutherford, 7 - Heiligbrodt Racing Stable, 2 -Thomas M. McCann, 5 - Lewis, Robert B. and Beverly J., 4 - Spade Stable, 9 - Equirace.Com LLC, 3 -Donald G. McClinton
Trainers: 1 -Patrick L. Biancone, 6 -Bernard S. Flint, 7 -Steven M. Asmussen, 2 -Eddie Kenneally, 5 -D. Wayne Lukas, 4 -David E. Pate, 9 -Michael J. Maker, 3 -Walter M. Bindner, Jr.
Wonder if the BC Juvy is next? Anyone know?
Turfway Park - September 17th, 2005 - Race 10
Race name: Kentucky Cup Juvenile S. Grade: 3
Stakes - For Thoroughbred Two Year Old One And One Sixteenth Miles On The All Weather Track
Purse: $100,000
Value of Race: $100,000 1st $62,000, 2nd $20,000, 3rd $10,000, 4th $5,000, 5th $3,000
Weather: Clear Track: Fast
Off at: 5:19 Start: Good for all
Pgm HorseName (Jockey) Wgt M/E PP SP 1/4 1/2 3/4 Str Fin Odds
1 Stream Cat (Stevens, G.L.) 118 b 1 7 8 8 7-1 3-1/2 1-1 3/4 2.50
6 Rungius (Castanon, J.L.) 116 L b 6 3 2-1 1/2 2-1 1/2 1-Head 1-Head 2-1 29.00
7 Cab (Valenzuela, P.A.) 114 L 7 1 3-Head 3-2 1/2 3-1/2 2-1/2 3-1 3/4 1.70*
2 Catcominatcha (Bejarano, R.) 114 L 2 5 5-6 5-2 1/2 4-Head 7-4 4-1 5.20
5 Short Circuit (Guidry, M.) 115 L b 5 4 1-1/2 1-Head 2-1/2 5-1 5-Neck 20.70
4 Deputy G (McKee, J.) 120 L 4 2 4-1 1/2 4-Head 5-Head 4-Head 6-1 1/2 4.00
9 Devilofarush (Borel, C.H.) 115 L b 8 8 7-2 6-1 6-2 1/2 6-1/2 7-7 1/2 41.40
3 He's a Dixie Boy (Perret, C.) 114 L 3 6 6-Head 7-1 1/2 8 8 8 7.80
Fractional Times: 23.96, 48.22, 1:13.79, 1:40.01, 1:46.42
Winner: Stream Cat - Dark Bay or Brown Colt, February 08, 2003
Bred by Matthews Breeding and Racing, Ltd. in KY
Pedigree: Black Minnaloushe - Water Course , by Irish River (FR)
Scratched Horses: Raywick
Pgm Horse Win Place Show Total WPS Pool: $263,970
1 Stream Cat 7.00 4.40 3.80
6 Rungius 15.20 8.20
7 Cab 3.00
Wager Type Winning Numbers Payoff Pool Carryover
$2 Pick 3 3-7-1 (3 correct) 413.40 19,876
$2 Pick 4 5-3-7-1 (3 correct) 16,229.20 31,210
$2 Daily Double 7-1 42.60 11,697
$2 Exacta 1-6 174.80 168,207
$2 Superfecta 1-6-7-2 3,030.80 59,451
$2 Trifecta 1-6-7 737.80 151,354
Pgm Comment
1 Stream Cat: reserved,off rail, middle move, angled out, quick move,drew clear
6 Rungius: vied for lead, off inside, held gamely
7 Cab: forwardly placed, 3 wide, 4 path 2nd turn, bid, weakened late
2 Catcominatcha: striking distance, rail, lacked room 3/16 pl, angled out, no bid
5 Short Circuit: alternated for lead, off inside, inside 2nd turn, tired late
4 Deputy G: behind leaders, off inside, middle move, waited 1/4 pl, hung
9 Devilofarush: outrun early, 4 wide middle move, weakened drive
3 He's a Dixie Boy: no factor
Footnotes
STREAM CAT reserved off the rail, made a solid move in the two path after five furlongs, came out three wide entering the stretch, made a quick move to the leaders in midstretch and drew clear late. RUNGIUS vied for the lead off the inside and held on gamely while no match for the winner late. CAB forwardly placed three wide, moved to challenge four wide on the second turn, stayed on well to inside the final furlong and weakened. CATCOMINATCHA within striking distance along the inside, lacked room along the inside in upper stretch, angled out with a furlong to go but had no late bid. SHORT CIRCUIT alternated for the lead off the inside, moved to the rail on the second turn, held on well to midstretch and tired. DEPUTY G behind the leaders off the inside, moved to a forward position after a half, waited behind the leaders with a quarter mile to go then failed to responded when clear in the stretch. DEVILOFARUSH outrun early, made a good four wide middle move to reach a challenging position with a quarter mile to go but weakened in the drive. HE'S A DIXIE BOY was no factor.
Owners: 1 - Fab Oak Stable, Hurley, Robert E. and Team Derby Dreams Stable, 6 -Mike G. Rutherford, 7 - Heiligbrodt Racing Stable, 2 -Thomas M. McCann, 5 - Lewis, Robert B. and Beverly J., 4 - Spade Stable, 9 - Equirace.Com LLC, 3 -Donald G. McClinton
Trainers: 1 -Patrick L. Biancone, 6 -Bernard S. Flint, 7 -Steven M. Asmussen, 2 -Eddie Kenneally, 5 -D. Wayne Lukas, 4 -David E. Pate, 9 -Michael J. Maker, 3 -Walter M. Bindner, Jr.
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Yes! I am very excited. Its a gamble to breed to any stallion that has his first 2yo runners the same year. It looks like the gamble worked out well for us this time! He is currently ranked #7 for the 1st crop sires list!
I think I will breed her to someone proven next year.. There is no way we will get lucky the 2nd year in a row!
Now I just have to find the right turf stallion...
I think I will breed her to someone proven next year.. There is no way we will get lucky the 2nd year in a row!
Now I just have to find the right turf stallion...