Cherokee run sons and Montbrook

[FOS]

hi aurora

You wrote "A comparison of Kafwain and Yonaguska shows that Yonaguska is a G1 stakes winner and that both his 1st and 2nd dam are multiple stake producers."

Yonaguska's record shows that he Dead-Heated in a G1 (The Hopeful...dead-heating with City Zip). You'll find that in many racing circles, particularly accross the pond, such a dead-heat for win is considered 1/2 a win not a win per se. If you'll refer to numerous catalogues (again, accross the pond) you'll find that historically that's how such a result (Dead-Heat) has been catalogued. Regardless...in the U.S.A. those that Dead-Heat in a race are often marketed as winning that race...hmmm.

I suggest that Kafwain's win in the 1 1/16th mile G2-Norfolk Stakes and then second place finish to champion Vindication in the G1-Breeders' Cup Juvenile (going 1 1/8 miles) exposed a versatility that I suggest outshines Yonaguska's. I don't recall Yonaguska winning beyond seven furlongs...ever.

Although Yonaguska's pedigree might appeal more to some than Kafwain's...I suggest that Kafwain was the more brilliant and versatile race horse.

Respectfully

[aurora]

Thanks, all, that is just the kind of thoughtful discussion I was looking for.

[Derby2004]

Vinery has Trust N Luck listed at 6500 for 06. I assume they lowered due to the arrival of Chapel Royal. That was a good move. Trust N luck is a great looking, precocious, son of Montbrook from a great family that could run a hole in the wind. But maybe the drop means they didnt get the mares for him this year. What does everyone else think?

[austique]

The more I look at Trust N Luck the more I like him. I like him a lot at $6500. He was a solid racehorse from a nice female family. I haven't seen him in person yet, so I'll reserve comment there

[Derby2004]

the debate between Trust N Luck and Chapel Royal is going to be interesting. If it wasnt for Coolmore and their connections, i think Trust N Luck would have a better oppotunity. Dont get me wrong, i love Chapel Royal. I would kill to get to one of these two. But IMO Trust N Luck is a better value. He could take it a mile and longer, kind of out of the Montbrook ordinary. And breeders in KY are looking for fast milers. Chapel Royal should have stayed in Florida. He could barely get 7 furlongs. But when running 6 he could beat just about anybody. Trust N Luck was a great race horse with distance though. That is what I am looking for in my selection for a rac prospect. And I think he will have the commercial side to him also. He is a good looking horse.

[kimberley mine]

Trust N Luck gets that extra distance from his female line. His family gets the big horse quite regularly, usually on a route on the lawn. His damsire also liked the long routes over turf. Montbrook put the brilliant speed over the distance. Trust N Luck was never tried on grass, but given that family I wonder if he might get some babies who would just shine on grass.

[Derby2004]

I never even thought about his babies running on grass. I do have some thoughts about racing in Europe also, so maybe he might be the stallion I need. Has anyone seen if has the turf type feet?

[madelyn]

Actually I had heard that Trust N Luck was having pretty big fertility problems. Which may be why they are bringing in Chapel Royal. They can "switch" mares to him....

[Derby2004]

I talked to the stallion manager at Vinery and he said that Trust N Luck was bred to 70 mares in 05 with 86% conception rate. So no fertility problems. He did say that price decrease was due to Chapel Royal coming in. Ashford stole a lot of Trust N Luck mares for Chapel Royal