Corslew euthanized after attack

zinn21 · Postby **zinn21** » Wed May 24, 2006 8:31 pm

Instrinsic Worth wrote, "Be glad you didn't breed to him, his offspring are mean and insane."

Sorry but I just bought a Catrail and he's fine. Ok to be around in a stall and he tracks well.

sunday_silence · Postby **sunday_silence** » Thu May 25, 2006 10:36 am

zinn21 wrote:Instrinsic Worth wrote, "Be glad you didn't breed to him, his offspring are mean and insane."

Sorry but I just bought a Catrail and he's fine. Ok to be around in a stall and he tracks well.

It's impossible to say that all of the offspring of a certain horse all have the same personality traits, though. Just because the Catrails that IW has been around were mean and insane, it doesn't mean they all are. And just because Zinn's Catrail is fine, doesn't mean most of them aren't.

A lot of the A.P. Indys I've been around have been big hams who love being the center of attention, but not all of them are going to be like that.

Intrinsic Worth · Postby **Intrinsic Worth** » Thu May 25, 2006 11:01 am

sunday_silence wrote:
zinn21 wrote:Instrinsic Worth wrote, "Be glad you didn't breed to him, his offspring are mean and insane."

Sorry but I just bought a Catrail and he's fine. Ok to be around in a stall and he tracks well.

It's impossible to say that all of the offspring of a certain horse all have the same personality traits, though. Just because the Catrails that IW has been around were mean and insane, it doesn't mean they all are. And just because Zinn's Catrail is fine, doesn't mean most of them aren't.

A lot of the A.P. Indys I've been around have been big hams who love being the center of attention, but not all of them are going to be like that.

Catrail was sent to America because his offspring had such a bad reputation in Europe. He would throw an OK runner every now and then, but no one wanted a Catrail-like personality.

zinn21 · Postby **zinn21** » Thu May 25, 2006 1:39 pm

IW wrote "Catrail was sent to America because his offspring had such a bad reputation in Europe. He would throw an OK runner every now and then, but no one wanted a Catrail-like personality."

I'm sure there is a great deal of truth to what you say, but ya can't lump em all in the same category.

Barbaro06 · Postby **Barbaro06** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 1:41 pm

According to the query Catrail was retired from stud due to fertility problems.

Wafare (sp?) Farm in Kentucky was standing him.

zinn21 · Postby **zinn21** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:01 am

Fertility problems are what was stated when I bought my Catrail. FYI, Catrail has a nice filly racing at Bay Meadows-just won her first condition last Saturday. Her name is Star Serenade..

BJ · Postby BJ » Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:52 pm

Barbaro06 wrote:According to the query Catrail was retired from stud due to fertility problems.

Wafare (sp?) Farm in Kentucky was standing him.

Does anyone know if he is still "alive". Retired doesn't always mean "living the good life". Often it means a truck ride to Illinois or Texas

Intrinsic Worth · Postby **Intrinsic Worth** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:12 pm

I heard two different stories about him. One was that he was turned out into a paddock somewhere in KY and is attempting to pasture breed and the other one was that he was to stand stud somewhere in Canada. Catrail had no fertility problems in Ireland, but I guess that could change. I know Wafare wasn't fully informed about how aggressive the horse was and they may have just gotten rid of him since he wasn't attracting many mares.

Barbaro06 · Postby **Barbaro06** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 4:50 pm

Did they ever think of cutting him due to his disposition? Or would that do nothing to get rid of his temperment? Just wondering. If he's that nasty, I would hate to see him try to pasture breed a mare.

adrienne · Postby **adrienne** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:44 pm

As far as the menstration thing...

I've only been handling stallions for about 4 years, but I have NEVER noticed a difference.

Female dogs have some bleeding or discharge during their heat period.

FEMALE HORSES DON'T.

Unless you're peeing. squatting, and leaning - a stallion isn't going to see anything sexual in you during your period.

And when I am menstrating and crampy - I have zero tolerance for anything. Stallions I handle probably figure this out pretty quickly.

LoL.

I had a stallion attack me ONCE. He is a hard to handle stallion, first mare of the year, backing him away from the mare to wash him. He got frusterated, I got after him and he reared and tried to come down on top of me. My (usually very laid back) helper wacked him in the head with the twitch (for the mare) and stopped that situation very quickly. (She still feels awful for doing that to him, but I'm happy to be alive and in one chunk).

I think the golden rule with known-to-be-dangerous stallions is to ALWAYS have two people. One to handle and one to save the handler's butt if need be.

~Adrienne

Nessa · Postby **Nessa** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 6:58 pm

adrienne wrote:As far as the menstration thing...

I've only been handling stallions for about 4 years, but I have NEVER noticed a difference.

Female dogs have some bleeding or discharge during their heat period.

FEMALE HORSES DON'T.

Unless you're peeing. squatting, and leaning - a stallion isn't going to see anything sexual in you during your period.

And when I am menstrating and crampy - I have zero tolerance for anything. Stallions I handle probably figure this out pretty quickly.

LoL.

I had a stallion attack me ONCE. He is a hard to handle stallion, first mare of the year, backing him away from the mare to wash him. He got frusterated, I got after him and he reared and tried to come down on top of me. My (usually very laid back) helper wacked him in the head with the twitch (for the mare) and stopped that situation very quickly. (She still feels awful for doing that to him, but I'm happy to be alive and in one chunk).

I think the golden rule with known-to-be-dangerous stallions is to ALWAYS have two people. One to handle and one to save the handler's butt if need be.

~Adrienne

Actually Adrienne when a woman is on her cycle her scent changes just like most every other female animal. A stallion wouldn't have to see any blood he would smell you coming from a mile away. That said I don't think all male animals react to females from other species, but it's been noted that some do.

adrienne · Postby **adrienne** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:08 pm

Nessa wrote:Actually Adrienne when a woman is on her cycle her scent changes just like most every other female animal. A stallion wouldn't have to see any blood he would smell you coming from a mile away. That said I don't think all male animals react to females from other species, but it's been noted that some do.

What I'm saying is that a woman's menstration is NOT a sign of sexual receptivity. And menstration is not something a stallion would even recognize as sexual receptivity.

Horses are also not predators so they wouldn't come after you 'smelling blood' so to speak.
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Yes - it might be 'different' but sometimes I wear perfume... and I don't get mauled.

~Adrienne