Gilded Time moving to Alberta
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Dave C wrote:By naturally I simply mean that they aren't using AI (and no I don't want the discussion on how some of the farms are being very liberal in interpreting what is and isn't AI or natural cover). I'm just saying the drugs don't solve the problem after a while; nature can only be delayed for so long.
Laugable and tragic what has taken place. The TB industry wanted no part of AI for decades so as to make stallions valuable much like IPR or art. But no more. At 150-200 mares a season these studs are nothing more then a cheap commodity at a ridiculous price.... but it's just a matter of time before the shaky foundation this is built upon crumbles.
I applaud Alberta for improving their quality of stallions. I was just looking thought the stallion ads for British Columbia and cannot believe that the breeders here havent follwed suit. I know there are a few new ones but i find it hard to pay enormous stud fees ( enormous is a subjective word) for horses that were either unraced/unplaced or have little in the terms of pedigree to justify it. There are some good stallion in BC but there is alot that shoud be breeding for other purposes.
Anyone have a stallion there are looking to move?
Ryeno
Anyone have a stallion there are looking to move?
Ryeno
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horsenuts wrote:Dave C wrote:As long as the Jockey Club makes sure that these boys are doing the job naturally, it appears that nature will take care of the overuse problem on her own.
Well..... if "naturally" means putting these stallions on Viagra / Cialis and other ED drugs half way through the bredding season then all is well. Drugs aren't only used in racing to "enhance performance".
From what I heard at Claiborne, Seeking the Gold, uses "enhancing" drugs to help get him through the season.
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Ryeno: I just don't see the improvement in quality that you see. Gilded Time will only cover in-house mares which will be shipped back to Ky for sale, if he can get the mares in foal. Cape Canaveral is coming because Ky gave up on him, and I don't really see him as being better than what is here now (such as Alydeed, Cobra King, or a couple of others), and he is only going to cover mares in-house as well. Kissin Kris is coming because nobody else wanted him. It's tough to be upbeat on a stallion when he keeps getting moved around and then is offered at public auction.
Hi Dave,
I more meant to say that "over the last few years" Alberta has improved the quality of stallions.........its also the fact you have a lot more selection of quality. I dont find it bad that CC, Kissin Kris, Cobra King,Cappuchino Kiridashi, Big EE,Saint Stephen, Captain Bodgit, Alydeed among others are in Alberta.......at least it gives Alberta Breeders more options than we have here in BC.
Looking at the new stallions we have here are Arthurs Ring who made around 3,200$ is by Unbridled Song and is advertised at 5 friggin grand???????? He made a $1000 bucks running 3rd so if my math is right it means he ran for a purse of 10,000 which would have made him a low level claimer at best or a mdn alw horse at a small track.I was hoping it was a misprint.....apparently not. A new one named Second In Command who was a decent race horse and is more reasonably priced at 1500$ however the majority of his races where won on the grass which we dont have in the PNW.
Lets face it.......being in Alberta or British Columbia we are NOT going to get a top notch proven stallion because if they are why wouldnt they just stay where they are? We are going to get has been's or never been's and through that we have to decipher what is best for our goals and our mares.
I am just tired of looking at Alberta getting more choices......call me selfish lol.
Ryeno
I more meant to say that "over the last few years" Alberta has improved the quality of stallions.........its also the fact you have a lot more selection of quality. I dont find it bad that CC, Kissin Kris, Cobra King,Cappuchino Kiridashi, Big EE,Saint Stephen, Captain Bodgit, Alydeed among others are in Alberta.......at least it gives Alberta Breeders more options than we have here in BC.
Looking at the new stallions we have here are Arthurs Ring who made around 3,200$ is by Unbridled Song and is advertised at 5 friggin grand???????? He made a $1000 bucks running 3rd so if my math is right it means he ran for a purse of 10,000 which would have made him a low level claimer at best or a mdn alw horse at a small track.I was hoping it was a misprint.....apparently not. A new one named Second In Command who was a decent race horse and is more reasonably priced at 1500$ however the majority of his races where won on the grass which we dont have in the PNW.
Lets face it.......being in Alberta or British Columbia we are NOT going to get a top notch proven stallion because if they are why wouldnt they just stay where they are? We are going to get has been's or never been's and through that we have to decipher what is best for our goals and our mares.
I am just tired of looking at Alberta getting more choices......call me selfish lol.
Ryeno
"The easiest way to end up with a million dollars in the horseracing business is to start with 3 million!"
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Ryeno: For breeders in the lower mainland, many Washington sires are close to you. Depending on where you are in Alberta you may have only a handful of stallions worth breeding to that are within a 2 hour radius. Horse country in Alberta is spread out over a larger area than anywhere else in NA and possibly anywhere else in the world, and once you load a mare onto a trailer for a long ship, why not tell the driver to keep going until he gets to a place with better stallions.
Jean,
Regal Intention, Katahuala County, Stephanotis, Vying Victor are all geting a lil older and I was not saying they were no good but some of the above mentioned horses are quite hit and miss. I was more comparing to the recnt influx of NEW stallions in Alberta to keep things competitive as to where BC hasnt done that.
Dave,
Washington has some nice stallions but on the same token it also has its disadvantages crossing the border.
Everyone is entitiled to there own opinions....... I am not saying anyone is wrong........I just was hoping for some fresh stallions HERE in BC.
RYeno
Regal Intention, Katahuala County, Stephanotis, Vying Victor are all geting a lil older and I was not saying they were no good but some of the above mentioned horses are quite hit and miss. I was more comparing to the recnt influx of NEW stallions in Alberta to keep things competitive as to where BC hasnt done that.
Dave,
Washington has some nice stallions but on the same token it also has its disadvantages crossing the border.
Everyone is entitiled to there own opinions....... I am not saying anyone is wrong........I just was hoping for some fresh stallions HERE in BC.
RYeno
"The easiest way to end up with a million dollars in the horseracing business is to start with 3 million!"
Ryeno: Everybody on the board would like to see more nice young stallions move to their area. The breeders in Ky regularly complain about losing good stallions to Japan and elsewhere, so we all understand where you're coming from.
I just received in the mail today information from the CTHS that there will be a subsidy available to mare owners for paying stud fees for stallions standing for a fee greater than $7500. Which explains why the fee for Gilded Time and Cape Canaveral was set at that level. Since the subsidy goes to the mare owner not the stallion owner it is necessary for the stallions to cover outside mares (or mares who's ownership is concealed). There are conditions that limit the eligibility of in-house mares, and minimum numbers of outside mares that must be covered before the subsidy is available. Given this new information my earlier comments about these two stallions primarily covering in-house mares would not seem to be a prediction that is likely to be correct.
I just received in the mail today information from the CTHS that there will be a subsidy available to mare owners for paying stud fees for stallions standing for a fee greater than $7500. Which explains why the fee for Gilded Time and Cape Canaveral was set at that level. Since the subsidy goes to the mare owner not the stallion owner it is necessary for the stallions to cover outside mares (or mares who's ownership is concealed). There are conditions that limit the eligibility of in-house mares, and minimum numbers of outside mares that must be covered before the subsidy is available. Given this new information my earlier comments about these two stallions primarily covering in-house mares would not seem to be a prediction that is likely to be correct.
Jean: Based on the letter I received from the CTHS, the program appears to be being administered by HRA. The conditions attached to the program are very stringent so very few stallions are eligible. The costs to the mare owners, even with the subsidy, appear unattractive. Although I applaud HRA's efforts to address the issue, I think they will be very disappointed with the results of this program. They are applying trickle down economic theory to the problem. If you subsidize the rich, somehow that is going to raise the quality of the median AB bred. Won't work. Subsidies can work, but they have to be properly targeted, this one isn't, but it does explain the acquisition of Gilded Time and Cape Canaveral.
Maven wrote:I heard but I'm HUNGRY for a good Gilded Time filly and I never see one from a family I want.
He's also turning into a VERY good broodmare sire. So even if he has a handful of foals on the ground a year, it's worth a shot with a fertile and early mare.
Greetings...
Why the interest in GT as a broodmare sire. I had been looking at a race mare by him with some pretty good black type underneath but just didn't know about the top side?
jm
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