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Postby Denise » Fri May 16, 2008 5:48 am


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Postby kimberley mine » Fri May 16, 2008 12:39 pm

Sheikh wrote:What about Arch at 25k in case you don't ahve 150k lying aroung for his Daddy ?


His Daddy is Kris S, not Dynaformer. Kris S is dead.

English Channel should be able to pass on routing ability.

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Postby tmacew » Fri May 16, 2008 12:46 pm

Following up on Dray's question, but at a lower or more regional level, does anyone in the $5-10k range come to mind when look for stamina? We are trying to go long, but it is realyl hard to do on a modest budget. Looking for mid-atlantic stallions primarily, but not necessarily.

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Postby Gerry » Fri May 16, 2008 12:48 pm

tmacew...we are nearly in the mid-atlantic..just over the PA line in Ny and have Dunsinyne (Kris S) who as KBEquine mentioned set 2 track records going long on the turf and is a stakes winner and Meadaaar who is a son of Diesis.

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Postby tmacew » Fri May 16, 2008 1:11 pm

thanks gerry. Meadaar looks interesting.

Our problem is that I am not sure we have a mare that is eligible to go to a router. And that is part of the problem.

My hear says "12f or bust!" but my pocketbook says "follow the market!"

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Postby Gerry » Fri May 16, 2008 1:20 pm

I think Meadaaar is going to be very versatile...his sire screams distance and his female line produced Very Subtle who won the breeders cup sprint...nice mix in there.

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Postby Nessa » Fri May 16, 2008 1:27 pm

Gerry wrote:tmacew...we are nearly in the mid-atlantic..just over the PA line in Ny and have Dunsinyne (Kris S) who as KBEquine mentioned set 2 track records going long on the turf and is a stakes winner and Meadaaar who is a son of Diesis.


You could try Unbridled Jet. He's at Sleeter Farm in New Jersey.
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Postby kimberley mine » Fri May 16, 2008 8:43 pm

tmacew wrote:Following up on Dray's question, but at a lower or more regional level, does anyone in the $5-10k range come to mind when look for stamina? We are trying to go long, but it is realyl hard to do on a modest budget. Looking for mid-atlantic stallions primarily, but not necessarily.


Cetewayo and Request for Parole immediately spring to mind.

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Postby Barbaro06 » Fri May 16, 2008 10:01 pm

Sam wrote:You can breed for a router all you like, but the sad truth is the tracks don't write many races over a mile anymore.

Is anyone else dealing with a huge disenchantment with the sport recently? Screw this, I'm going to England. At least they 'chase.


(Raises hand) Me. I don't have the usual "spring fever" with horse racing this year. I feel like I am in a slump. I might look around to see what jump races they have out here...went to the Roedown races ('chases) a couple years back and had a lot of fun.
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Postby KBEquine » Sat May 17, 2008 9:22 am

tmacew wrote:Our problem is that I am not sure we have a mare that is eligible to go to a router. And that is part of the problem.

My hear says "12f or bust!" but my pocketbook says "follow the market!"


Are you breeding to sell or race?

If you are breeding to sell, a modestly priced MidAtlantic stallion who can get a router is the kiss of death, commercially. I haven't studied the NY sires' commercial appeal as much, but know in NJ/PA/DE/MD/WV, the only stallions who might be called commercial are Two Punch, Not For Love, Domestic Dispute, and possibly Lite The Fuse, Siphon & Real Quiet, most of whom frequently sire sprinters themselves. There are a couple younger stallions who might be or become commercial, but not that you can bank on, right now.

However, if you are breeding to race in a state-bred program, there are options at reasonable prices & you mostly have to hope that the right races will be written for routers so your horse gets a chance to show his/her stuff.

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Postby teb » Sat May 17, 2008 10:33 am

I actually consulted with Dray before breeding my Diesis line mare this year. I had her booked to another stallion which got hurt and was really on the fence as who to go to. I asked his opinion on 3 stallions and ended up going with High Chaparral. To be honest he isn't really anybody's favorite at the moment. But sure what's not to like? He won 2 Breeders' Cup turf's for a start, ran past his 3yo year, and won going 7furlongs as a 2yo. I'm taking the gamble because I really want a bit of longevity in my TB's. This mare is from a very good family and it should be a decent horse if he/she gets that far. I wish I could make all choices based on doing what I want but sadly if you wish to eat, you do have to let the market dictate a bit. How and ever, I am going to start looking for different things in stallions in the future. Love or hate Coolmore they are starting to race many of their stallions past 3years of age over here and are becoming quite successful with their "route" horses. Their price range is better for the qualtiy of stallion too. If High Chap stood at Darley, I could have never afforded him.

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