Birdstone

[Dave C]

I think Birdstone will get alot more attention from the breed to race crowd now, but I'm not so sure he'll get the breed to sell mares. I can't say I've looked at a lot of his yearlings, but my impression is that they aren't the type to bring the 7 figure prices. Yearling sales prices are what is used to justify stud fees, so I'm not sure that a big increase in stud fee will happen.

[Toccet02]

so how small IS he? 15 hands?

[Barbaro06]

I believe he's 15.3 hands. And yes, a cutie.....

[Lucy]

I definitely see a resemblance:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/apphoto/photo?sportId=1200&photoId=2221800

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockandracehorses/3489881086/

[FOS]

hi Bohemia...hi all

Three Chimneys is desperately trying to generate some interest in Smarty with strip ads that proclaim he's had this winner and that winner ...

I'm not so sure 3C could fill SJ's book if they stood him for $10,000 LFSN .

One thing about Three Chimneys that I am sure of though, is how beautiful and well maintained the place is.

Continuing the reality check...consider some of the stallions that BEGAN their stud careers at Three Chimneys. Stallions including the likes of Joyeux Danseur , Miesques's Son , Atticus , Point Given ( $1mil per share, started at $125,000 stud fee), War Chant (started at $75k stud fee... ouch), Smarty Jones ($650,000 per share , started at $100,000 stud fee ), Silver Charm (sayonara), Albert The Great, etc.

Quite a track record, don't ya think?

Oh well; to each his/her own.

Respectfully

[oliverstoned]

hi Bohemia...hi all

Three Chimneys is desperately trying to generate some interest in Smarty with strip ads that proclaim he's had this winner and that winner ...

I'm not so sure 3C could fill SJ's book if they stood him for $10,000 LFSN .

One thing about Three Chimneys that I am sure of though, is how beautiful and well maintained the place is.

Continuing the reality check...consider some of the stallions that BEGAN their stud careers at Three Chimneys. Stallions including the likes of Joyeux Danseur , Miesques's Son , Atticus , Point Given ( $1mil per share, started at $125,000 stud fee), War Chant (started at $75k stud fee... ouch), Smarty Jones ($650,000 per share , started at $100,000 stud fee ), Silver Charm (sayonara), Albert The Great, etc.

Quite a track record, don't ya think?

Oh well; to each his/her own.

Respectfully

When they give out awards at the end of the year, I'm casting my ballot for you in the "Best use of Emoticons" category.

[HR LLC]

Maybe we can have a online class to show how to use all the features on this forum. I know I need it...

[Pedigree Ann]

Definitely a suprise along with his peers Candy Ride and Stroll. Nothing harder than picking which sires will make it.

Birdstone won three of the most important and historic races in New York - the Champange, the Belmont and the Travers.

Candy Ride was an incredible racehorse; champion miler in Argentina as a 3yo defeating his elders, then his Pacific Classic! He blew by Medaglia d'Oro as if he jumped in at the quarter pole.

Taken as a group, superior runners (G1 and G2 winners, other meritorious performances) produce many more top stallions than more modest runners. Certainly there are total bombs in the first group and exceptions in the second, but as general rule, the better the racehorse the better the odds he will be a good sire.

[oliverstoned]

Definitely a suprise along with his peers Candy Ride and Stroll. Nothing harder than picking which sires will make it.

Birdstone won three of the most important and historic races in New York - the Champange, the Belmont and the Travers.

Candy Ride was an incredible racehorse; champion miler in Argentina as a 3yo defeating his elders, then his Pacific Classic! He blew by Medaglia d'Oro as if he jumped in at the quarter pole.

Taken as a group, superior runners (G1 and G2 winners, other meritorious performances) produce many more top stallions than more modest runners. Certainly there are total bombs in the first group and exceptions in the second, but as general rule, the better the racehorse the better the odds he will be a good sire.

Of course the the grade one winners generally attract the better mares so they should do better, that said if I was going to go with an unproven stallion I'm with you in betting on the finer racehorse, but picking which one thats the hard part.

[Bohemia]

hi Bohemia...hi all

Three Chimneys is desperately trying to generate some interest in Smarty with strip ads that proclaim he's had this winner and that winner ...

I'm not so sure 3C could fill SJ's book if they stood him for $10,000 LFSN .

One thing about Three Chimneys that I am sure of though, is how beautiful and well maintained the place is.

Continuing the reality check...consider some of the stallions that BEGAN their stud careers at Three Chimneys. Stallions including the likes of Joyeux Danseur , Miesques's Son , Atticus , Point Given ( $1mil per share, started at $125,000 stud fee), War Chant (started at $75k stud fee... ouch), Smarty Jones ($650,000 per share , started at $100,000 stud fee ), Silver Charm (sayonara), Albert The Great, etc.

Quite a track record, don't ya think?

Hi FOS ... that was quite a list you posted of all the stallions that started at Three Chimneys at very high stud fees. I had forgotten about many of them, especially Point Given and Silver Charm. What was Silver Charm's initial stud fee, do you recall? I tossed a lot of my old Blood-Horse stallion registers (due to space constraints!) so can't look him up myself. Here's a question about Smarty for you - if he doesn't catch fire soon, and they look to move him, do you think it will be outside of Kentucky, and do you think it would have to be at a farm that's willing to put up with busloads of fans wanting to see him?

Thanks!

[kimberley mine]

Silver Charm started somewhere in the neighbourhood of $25,000. Certainly no higher than $30,000.

Any horse who starts higher than, say, $25,000 is asking for a fall. Very, very few are the One Hit Thing. A few will be in the Useful Horse category. Of the big guns who started at big money in the last few years, I think only Giant's Causeway and Lemon Drop Kid have made a decent showing for themselves. Point Given, Mineshaft, Smarty, Fusaichi Pegasus, War Chant...and I'm not holding out much hope for Rock Hard Ten, Curlin, or Big Brown.

[Bohemia]

Silver Charm started somewhere in the neighbourhood of $25,000. Certainly no higher than $30,000.

Any horse who starts higher than, say, $25,000 is asking for a fall. Very, very few are the One Hit Thing. A few will be in the Useful Horse category. Of the big guns who started at big money in the last few years, I think only Giant's Causeway and Lemon Drop Kid have made a decent showing for themselves. Point Given, Mineshaft, Smarty, Fusaichi Pegasus, War Chant...and I'm not holding out much hope for Rock Hard Ten, Curlin, or Big Brown.

Not Curlin? I'm a little surprised ... I think he will do quite well. But I agree with you on Big Brown and Rock Hard Ten.

[kimberley mine]

Don't get me wrong, Curlin did a fine job racing...but starting him at $75k? Shades of both Mineshaft AND Lemon Drop Kid, both of whom started way high ($100k and, what, $75k?) and fell far and hard. Lemon Drop Kid has turned into a useful sire, but he dropped as low as $20k before folks got confident enough in him to use him again.

[reenci]

here's my two cents........in the next five years birdstone becomes one of the worlds best sires. i have ate crow before but not this time.......northern dancer was small also.

[st. louis kid]

We are sending the mare Bud's Bandita for a date with Birdstone this week. Gainesway told us the fee will go to 20 or 30K next year, but they gave us a stands and nurse at this years fee this late in the year. Hope he stays hot.