Smarty Jones and the "G1 filly"

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Postby Bohemia » Sat May 30, 2009 11:58 am

FOS wrote: There's always hope...but at this moment in time I'd expect that the overwhelming majority of opinion (re Smarty Jones as a racehorse sire) might range from EXTREMELY disappointing (at best), to a FLOP-extraordinaire (at worst).

Smarty Jones is just not getting the job done...at least (to my way of thinking anyway) not in relation to the opportunities afforded him, and the expectations fueled by those opportunities.

If Smarty Jones doesn't get things cookin' soon, he'll likely join the list of stallions that began their stud careers at Three Chimneys but disappointed (at best) or flopped (at worst).


I agree with you 100 percent. I think most bloodstock agents/breeders that I've talked with have already made up their minds on Smarty - FLOP-extraordinaire is a pretty good way to sum up their opinions - which is a bit shocking, if you think about it, considering the quality of mares that Smarty had in his first book.

From Three Chimneys' Smarty web site: Befitting a champion of his stature, breeders have sent mares of the utmost quality to Smarty Jones every year at stud. The Blood-Horse MarketWatch reports his mares' 2008 CI was 3.31, and 2008 CPI was 4.49. In 2007, the mares' CI was 3.87 and CPI 3.96.

One bloodstock agent I talked to said that Smarty's commercial appeal is pretty well shot to hell.

When you think about it, Smarty's troubles at stud are very surprising. I mean, here it is almost June and he doesn't have any stakes horses. Sure, he's got the occasional MSW and allowance winner, but to not even have something running in an ungraded stakes has to be distressing to all those who bred to him, or bought those 650K shares.

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Postby bdw0617 » Sat May 30, 2009 2:55 pm

i would like to see smarty jones go to a regional farm and get a more focused book.

maybe he isn't a commercial sire, but maybe they are trying to make him something he never was going to be anyway, a commerical sire.

I would not be shocked to see him go to a regional farm and eventually have moderate success.
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Postby ASB » Sat May 30, 2009 4:59 pm

He's worth more to overseas buyers than regional buyers.

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Postby spinround » Sun May 31, 2009 9:02 am

Wasn't there a clause in his sale that required he stay in America? I thought I remembered the Chapmans talking about it because he was 'America's horse'?

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Postby Bohemia » Sun May 31, 2009 3:53 pm

Mrs. Chapman may come to regret that clause.

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Postby rudydee » Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:49 pm

The sad truth- you can get to Smarty for 8K LFSN

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Postby HR LLC » Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:46 pm

why waste 8k on breeding when you can get 2 smarty 2YOs out of the sale for that amount...

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Postby Bohemia » Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:03 am

What?! $8K? Wow, that's lower than I had last heard ... latest price I heard was $10K. For $8K, he could be supported regionally.

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Postby ct2346 » Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:51 pm

HR LLC wrote:why waste 8k on breeding when you can get 2 smarty 2YOs out of the sale for that amount...


Because you don't want to buy an 8k SJ 2yo. The goal is to breed something much better than that. But, perhaps this is your point...that he may be viable in a breed to race scenario....

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Postby Bohemia » Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:46 pm

No doubt his commercial appeal is shot to hell. Breed to race for $8K? Might be worth a shot. If it was $5K, he would be even more appealing. Here's a question - can anyone venture a guess as to why he hasn't sired any stakes winners in this country to this date? Maybe his bottom line?

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Postby springboro » Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:53 am

His distaff is directly to La Troienne. I would think he has no excuse in the pedigree department at all!

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Postby pokeyman » Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:12 am

Will Smarty's failure affect Elusive Quality? Will commercial breeders be weary of purchasing an EQ son as a stallion prospect?

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Postby kimberley mine » Thu Jun 11, 2009 10:17 am

springboro wrote:His distaff is directly to La Troienne. I would think he has no excuse in the pedigree department at all!


Not necessarily. His branch of La Troienne hasn't produced any good stallions for three generations. You have to go back to the 4th dam to find a stallion who did much of anything.

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Postby bdw0617 » Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:17 pm

La T is back there with Moses and Isiah in his pedigree.
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Postby Heidilady » Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:26 pm

Bohemia wrote:Mrs. Chapman may come to regret that clause.


I figure they knew what they were getting into. She's probably set for life. He was no guaranteed golden goose. They didn't want to see him shipped off to Korea or something and who could blame them? They didn't want him being bred to hundreds of mares every year as a satellite stallion either just to make more money. The financial hit was planned in advance. They were willing to limit his book to around 110. Might as well limit it to mares bred in N.A. I'm sure it's one reason they retired him, Mr. Chapman knew he didn't have long and wanted to have the sure thing while looking after the horse.

I just don't want to dog him as a sire when we all gripe that if you don't hit it right out of the gate, some stallions get brushed aside instead of give a chance. Look at this one the bright side, even if things don't pick up, you won't be worrying that we'll need to beg the Turkish to send him back to Old Friends like they're doing with Strike the Gold.
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