All American shuttling from Australia

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Tappiano
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Postby Tappiano » Tue Aug 24, 2010 2:29 pm

da hossman wrote:Hi Oliver:

Almost every stud farm takes an equity position in the new stallions they stand - this gives the farm the opportunity to participate in the added profits in the event the horse makes it big. Day money is not why stud farms do business - it is break even at best.

Consider the Candy Ride situation - John Sikura did not own any piece of CR but stood the horse and invested 4 years of promotion (sure Craig's paid invoices but HillnDale staff managed campaign & was on the phone selling the horse), mares and effort to give CR a good chance. CR hits but because Sikura does not control the horse, Craig moves him to Lanes End, where he stands at a significantly higher fee.

Sikura has since made the statement he will no longer stand any horse in which he does not own a significant interest. Sikura was burned first by Haisfield then by the Craig's.

So how does DD lose? What if AA shocks the world and becomes the next superstar? Other farms with more capital & better resources will come calling and Messara is a businessman....the other farms do not have to buy Messara out, they can just buy a piece of the horse at an inflated value. Or if AA is really good Messara may not risk shuttling the horse again.

On the other hand if AA does not make it, DD will have invested 4 years of time and effort on a losing cause for $65/day plus 4 or 5 unsellable breeding rights each year. Not a very attractive picture either way.


The horse was moved for good reason, don't cast a light on Jenny or Sid Craig that is 100% wrong.

I'm sure when you talked to Sikura he told you just how he felt and his version of things, right :roll:

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Postby da hossman » Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:00 pm

Hi Tap -

I was not trying to pass judgement on the Candy Ride situation but was using it to illustrate how a farm that does not have a significant interest in a stallion has no control over the stallion's location. Without having some measure of control over the horse's location the farm does not have any assurance that it will share in the rewards if the stallion makes it big.

Now that I re-read my post "Sikura was burned first by Haisfield and then by Craig", I see that I did imply that Craig did Sikura wrong, my mistake. I have never discussed the CR situation with Sikura and do not have any inside infomation, either his or Craig's. My apologies for lumping Craig in with Haisfield who I make no apologies for. Have you discussed it with Craig?
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Postby Tappiano » Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:17 pm

As a matter of fact we did discuss him during dinner :) , how he was, how many mares he covered and how many more were turned down. Given how Sikura played the dumbstruck deer caught in headlights when he was moved I'm not surprised that people have the perception that he was the "victim". There's always two sides to the story, but since he has stuck to his "I never knew" that is just plain wrong.

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Postby CS » Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:33 pm

da hossman wrote:DD will surely breed a few mares to him, but don't expect Soaring Softly to be in AA's book.


I don't think anyone would expect DD to breed Soaring Softly to him - given that she is by Kris S...

That being said, I know that AAs pedigree will fit many of the Phillips mares to a "T". Personally, I like the horse and his breeding. I hope that he is the diamond in the rough that they have been seeking.

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Postby puff » Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:52 am

What I am hearing is that DD did buy equity in the horse. Not only did it provide them equity but if he discontinues shuttling they will still receive income form the Australian market. Why wouldn't DD support him with their mares, the best runners from their famileis have been by Roberto or his sons. America is clamoring for Roberto descendants and this one at least offers precocity as opposed to aDynaformer or an Arch.

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Postby wallinga » Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:37 pm

The Darby Dan website has a video up of an interview that our thoroughbred breeding program 'Bred to Win' aired a month ago. it's got race vision of the horse too.

http://www.darbydan.com/all-american-media.html