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Postby StealingKat » Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:03 pm

I sent 4 mares to Semoran and all were in foal first cover. Two were maiden mares. All are still pregnant and health so I'm not sure what the problem has been???
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Postby aurora » Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:43 am

roving boy,

The 30 - 35 % figure was 'HOW MANY MARES DID THE HORSE GET IN FOAL? This does not take into account how many mares slipped.

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Postby halo » Thu Oct 06, 2005 9:01 am

It seems likely that mares were sent to him that had issues about getting in foal, since Stealing Kat had 4 mares out of 4 get in foal. Its not always the stallion. Many managers of first year stallions are adament about not having mares with breeding issues, due to how people react to these very statistics.

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Postby StealingKat » Thu Oct 06, 2005 9:10 am

I might also add that nothing "special" was done to get them in foal. Just plain ole jumps...I'm thrilled with the results at OSU.
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Postby sb » Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:33 am

I'm a little confused about the statistics. I would think that no stallion owner/manager would report a mare bred if she didn't come up pregnant by ultrasound. It is the responsibility of the owner to leave his/her mare at the breeding farm long enough, so an ultrasound can determine a] pregnancy and b] twinning. The extra cost is money well spend in my book. Of course, if the stallion manager/owner isn't honest, then these statistics can be fudged. When an ultrasound is taken, I want from here on know that the ultrasound was actually done on my mare and not another. There are other issues which came up when I bred a mare 2 years ago and she came up empty, but you just learn as you go along. Leaving things up to people who don't own your mare is a way of running into potential problems.
So the JC statistics should only reflect mares which actually left the farm pregnant or were truly in foal, so that the stallion cannot be blamed for any open mares, and this would also not blame the stallion should there be a dead foal. \
With stallions which have been standing at stud for a number of years, the statistics are pretty useful as you can look at several years of breeding and the outcome. Obviously, it's much harder with a Freshman stallion or one which is beginning to have a problem which isn't always known to the stallion/owner/managers right away. I understand from reading that fertility testing is not a surefire thing, unless there are serious problems.

Do your homework on the stallions and the management? I learned the hard and expensive way.

sb