Ohio State's vet school has a wonderful book on breeding, and it has many great photographs of the older stallions. Nijinsky they had just as he was off the track, and he was everything a race horse should be. On that one photo alone I fell in love with him.
Nureyev was just as good looking though, at least in the final conformation photo Walmac had up. There was something about him. He was a grand old man.
Does anyone have any old video of Nijinsky racing? That's one thing I've never seen, him running.
Nureyev v Nijinsky...extremely different physical types
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hi guys
Seems that Nureyev has impacted the most recent North American classics quite significantly...
...at least to the extent (for starters) that Afleet Alex's sire (Northern Afleet) is out of a Nureyev daughter.
Has the name Nijinsky II (very close up in a pedigree) impacted recent North American classics to the same extent as Nureyev (who is obviously very close up in Afleet Alex's pedigree)?
Maybe recently retired Eurosilver (for example) who is out of a Nijinsky II daughter, can do the same for Nijinsky II...that Northern Afleet (who is out of a Nureyev daughter) did for Nureyev.
And for what it's worth...Kingmambo (standing for $300k at Lane's End, and the sire of Belmont winner Lemon Drop Kid) is also out of a Nureyev daughter (Miesque).
Where do we look for the possibility that Nijinsky II will come to the fore (on the North American classics scene)...as has Nureyev?
Thoughts?
Respectfully
Seems that Nureyev has impacted the most recent North American classics quite significantly...
...at least to the extent (for starters) that Afleet Alex's sire (Northern Afleet) is out of a Nureyev daughter.
Has the name Nijinsky II (very close up in a pedigree) impacted recent North American classics to the same extent as Nureyev (who is obviously very close up in Afleet Alex's pedigree)?
Maybe recently retired Eurosilver (for example) who is out of a Nijinsky II daughter, can do the same for Nijinsky II...that Northern Afleet (who is out of a Nureyev daughter) did for Nureyev.
And for what it's worth...Kingmambo (standing for $300k at Lane's End, and the sire of Belmont winner Lemon Drop Kid) is also out of a Nureyev daughter (Miesque).
Where do we look for the possibility that Nijinsky II will come to the fore (on the North American classics scene)...as has Nureyev?
Thoughts?
Respectfully
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FOS,
Broken Vow is out of the Nijinsky II daughter Wedding Vow, and aside from bad luck in the BCJ Private Vow has done nothing wrong so far. Across the pond, Fantastic Light is starting to get useful runners. As he is owned by Darley, it is not inconceivable that the Maktoums may try for a US-based dirt runner by him.
Broken Vow is out of the Nijinsky II daughter Wedding Vow, and aside from bad luck in the BCJ Private Vow has done nothing wrong so far. Across the pond, Fantastic Light is starting to get useful runners. As he is owned by Darley, it is not inconceivable that the Maktoums may try for a US-based dirt runner by him.
hi kimberley mine
Agreed...Broken Vow (out of a Nijinsky II mare) is one to watch that just might come up with a North American classic winner...
...and Fantastic Light (also out of a Nijinsky II daughter) might be a candidate too (although standing across the pond)...especially in the hands of Darley (as you pointed out).
Best to you.
Respectfully
Agreed...Broken Vow (out of a Nijinsky II mare) is one to watch that just might come up with a North American classic winner...
...and Fantastic Light (also out of a Nijinsky II daughter) might be a candidate too (although standing across the pond)...especially in the hands of Darley (as you pointed out).
Best to you.
Respectfully
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summerhorse wrote:Nijinksy obviously took after his dam's side of the family.
He had lymphangitis. I'm not sure if he had a continuing infection or if infections damaged the lymphatic system in his hind leg (s) but he was unable to move the fluids back up the leg and they oozed out into the skin. (think it is lymphedema or something like that if the infection is gone) It was one leg mainly, the other probably filled from being kept up and supporting more weight. I guess after a few years of that he got laminitis too and that did him in.
From Dr. Redden's book, "Understanding Laminitis":
"Working closely with the late Dr. Walter Kaufman and with Clay Arnold, Nijinsky's long time caretaker, we were successful in treating the course of the syndrome despite coffin bones that were all but penetrating both feet.
I shod Nijinsky with sole support pads designed to enhance breakover. I performed a partial wall re-sectioning to alleviate sub-solar abscesses. This stallion had good, strong feet, which aided the prognosis. However, he also suffered from lymphangitis of one hind limb, which complicated the situation. Treating the lymphangitis required regular exercise, but treating the laminitis required stall rest."
Nijinsky II responded to Dr. Redden's treatment, and was able to stand at stud for an additional six years, enjoying a good quality life until he was euthanized due to the infirmities of old age.
This episode helped to give Dr. Redden determination to work harder to solve difficult laminitis cases, and enhance the learning process about laminitis for farriers and veterinarians through his annual symposia.
Tairaterces
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hi Tairaterces
Thanks for the info from Dr Redden's book re: some of Nijinsky's ailments etc (including the confirmation that he in fact had lymphangitis).
Nijinsky II was quite a special horse...
...but I too found Nureyev VERY special, and I can understand your comment "I adored him" (your words).
From my perspective...Nureyev was truly a source of quality, elegance and beauty.
Respectfully
Thanks for the info from Dr Redden's book re: some of Nijinsky's ailments etc (including the confirmation that he in fact had lymphangitis).
Nijinsky II was quite a special horse...
...but I too found Nureyev VERY special, and I can understand your comment "I adored him" (your words).
From my perspective...Nureyev was truly a source of quality, elegance and beauty.
Respectfully
hi guys
Getting back to Nijinsky...isn't his millionaire grandson Val Royal (a Breeders' Cup Mile winner) on the verge of having his first crop of runners?
I believe Val retired to stud in Ireland...but I'm unsure if he covers a southern hemisphere book also, or what he received in the way of support from breeders.
Respectfully
Getting back to Nijinsky...isn't his millionaire grandson Val Royal (a Breeders' Cup Mile winner) on the verge of having his first crop of runners?
I believe Val retired to stud in Ireland...but I'm unsure if he covers a southern hemisphere book also, or what he received in the way of support from breeders.
Respectfully
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The Nijinsky II line in Europe recently lost one of its best stallion prospects to South Africa, Silvano (GER). This exceptionally tough globetrotter was shuttling to South Africa when an outbreak of African Horse Sickness within 150km of the only certified "clean" quarantine shut down imports back to Europe. Unable to return to Germany, Silvano was sold outright to the Maine Chance Farms in the West Cape province of South Africa.
Silvano's oldest German-bred foals are now coming 3yos; no stakes winners that I have found so far but that is not surprising given Silvano's race record and the broodmare sires involved. I believe that his oldest south-african breds are long yearlings on SH time. He has received good support, and considerable notice from breeders.
Silvano's oldest German-bred foals are now coming 3yos; no stakes winners that I have found so far but that is not surprising given Silvano's race record and the broodmare sires involved. I believe that his oldest south-african breds are long yearlings on SH time. He has received good support, and considerable notice from breeders.
FOS wrote:hi guys
Getting back to Nijinsky...isn't his millionaire grandson Val Royal (a Breeders' Cup Mile winner) on the verge of having his first crop of runners?
I believe Val retired to stud in Ireland...but I'm unsure if he covers a southern hemisphere book also, or what he received in the way of support from breeders.
Respectfully
His first foals are yearlings, soon to be 2yo's NH time. He has two yearlings in the up coming Magic Millions sale. I believe, and will check for sure and get back, that he is standing in South Africa permanently now.
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I love this thread as it brings back great memories of two extraordinary horses. Nijinsky was a freak taking after his fabulous dam who beat the boys in the Queens Plate after winning the Oaks. The only Triple Crown Winner of England in the past 70 years he also sired the winners of the two great Derby races in a 4 week span in 1986 with Ferdinand and Sharastani.Then theres the wonderful Nureyev who was cruelly robbed of his rightful victory in the 2000 guineas but became a sire of many horses of his class including the incomparable Miesque , the best horse in the world of her time and thanks to the Breeders Cup , Americans were twice able to witness her greatness and what a legacy she has left in her wake as a broodmare. I may just breed something to King Cugat just to have a remnant of that line,!!!
hi wilf
You wrote "Then theres the wonderful Nureyev who was cruelly robbed of his rightful victory in the 2000 guineas..."
I agree that Nureyev was wonderful...but I have never been convinced that he was "cruelly robbed" (your words) of victory...although I personally was extremely disappointed in the decision because I wanted him to win and thought he was MUCH the best. I also understood that jockey Philippe Paquet had possibly been so flagrant that maybe there was only a slim chance that the result (with Nureyev as the winner) would stand.
If you recall the stewards inquiry was well in excess of half an hour, and the pressure they must have felt might have been palpable (remember magnate Niarchos was the owner and Nureyev was clearly exalted by most, as a Super Horse)...thus (I expect) the reason for the painfully long inquiry to determine the official result. Had John Q Public been the owner, and the horse been other than the exalted Super Horse Nureyev...I expect that the stewards might have made their decision to strip the first place finisher of victory, rather unceremoniously and quickly.
That said...clearly Nureyev proved that he was MUCH the best racehorse in the large Guineas field (which included so many good ones including Juddmonte's Known Fact, the Phipps' colt Posse, and the highly regarded Tyrnavos and Night Shift etc). But ultimately it seemed that to leave Nureyev's victory intact (considering how jockey Philippe Paquet cut a path through the field even when nothing opened up in front of him) was inexcusable in the eyes of the necessary majority (if not all) of the stewards...and ultimately they were unwilling to reward Paquet for what some perceived as a reckless ride, endangering others. Although incedible to watch, clearly jockey Philippe Paquet made what many considered (and the stewards obviously agreed) was a reckless and potentially dangerous move through horses, with apparently no regard for anyone. As a result...Nureyev was officially placed LAST in the Guineas field.
Regardless of that day's events...I suggest that Nureyev was a SUPER STAR...GREAT...example of equine beauty and talent...of enormous magnitude. When considering the life and times of Nureyev and the cast of characters (the likes of Stavros Niarchos...jockey Philippe Paquet...trainer Francois Boutin...Alec Head etc etc etc) and circumstances which surrounded him, it seems more like a novel or movie than real life...WOW.
Maybe needless to say...but I felt that Nureyev was an Extremely Rare, Very Special and breathtakingly beautiful thoroughbred.
Best to you.
Respectfully
You wrote "Then theres the wonderful Nureyev who was cruelly robbed of his rightful victory in the 2000 guineas..."
I agree that Nureyev was wonderful...but I have never been convinced that he was "cruelly robbed" (your words) of victory...although I personally was extremely disappointed in the decision because I wanted him to win and thought he was MUCH the best. I also understood that jockey Philippe Paquet had possibly been so flagrant that maybe there was only a slim chance that the result (with Nureyev as the winner) would stand.
If you recall the stewards inquiry was well in excess of half an hour, and the pressure they must have felt might have been palpable (remember magnate Niarchos was the owner and Nureyev was clearly exalted by most, as a Super Horse)...thus (I expect) the reason for the painfully long inquiry to determine the official result. Had John Q Public been the owner, and the horse been other than the exalted Super Horse Nureyev...I expect that the stewards might have made their decision to strip the first place finisher of victory, rather unceremoniously and quickly.
That said...clearly Nureyev proved that he was MUCH the best racehorse in the large Guineas field (which included so many good ones including Juddmonte's Known Fact, the Phipps' colt Posse, and the highly regarded Tyrnavos and Night Shift etc). But ultimately it seemed that to leave Nureyev's victory intact (considering how jockey Philippe Paquet cut a path through the field even when nothing opened up in front of him) was inexcusable in the eyes of the necessary majority (if not all) of the stewards...and ultimately they were unwilling to reward Paquet for what some perceived as a reckless ride, endangering others. Although incedible to watch, clearly jockey Philippe Paquet made what many considered (and the stewards obviously agreed) was a reckless and potentially dangerous move through horses, with apparently no regard for anyone. As a result...Nureyev was officially placed LAST in the Guineas field.
Regardless of that day's events...I suggest that Nureyev was a SUPER STAR...GREAT...example of equine beauty and talent...of enormous magnitude. When considering the life and times of Nureyev and the cast of characters (the likes of Stavros Niarchos...jockey Philippe Paquet...trainer Francois Boutin...Alec Head etc etc etc) and circumstances which surrounded him, it seems more like a novel or movie than real life...WOW.
Maybe needless to say...but I felt that Nureyev was an Extremely Rare, Very Special and breathtakingly beautiful thoroughbred.
Best to you.
Respectfully