hi FloridaGators
Meadowlake...especially when he was a young-gun, he was some eyeful...WOW.
Respectfully
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In the flesh...Fusaichi Pegasus' neck always appears to be set a bit high in his shoulder (in my opinion anyway).
Soon after his retirement (to Ashford), there were times (I would guess many) that he would have a surcingle in place, and draw reins to set him in a collected frame. He was then driven with long reins. I expect that the intent might be to strengthen the appropriate muscles so that he might carry his neck in a fashion which might reduce the high-headed look.
Have you ever seen the Coolmore crew downunder use the surcingle and draw reins on him?
No FOS. He parades like the rest of them (apart from Spinning World who is in his muzzle) but it is IMO his high head that makes the total package look awesome. I don't have a spare AUD$77k to spend this year on service fees plus he hasn't been stamping a lot of his babies down here and didn't have a stellular first season crop so I am just happy to look at him and admire a really nice horse.
King Cugat was very much on the toe when I saw him two years ago but I didn't mind him either. Pity about the knee but his yearlings looked OK. He's a bit more in the price bracket.
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Hi FOS
That's an interesting question.
We have two dominant stallions at moment in Redoute's Choice and Encosta De Lago. And they stand at $220k and $132k respectively.
Then there is a gap to Fu Peg at $77k who is also in the top echelon but unproven therefore one removed.
The general racing public know Redoute's and EDL. They also know Zabeel, the late Danehill and other top sires from this end of the globe.
The "general public" don't really know Fu Peg. You may get our races beamed over there but we don't get yours over here and believe me, the Kentucky Derby etc are races for die-hard racing fans, not the "general public".
The yearlings I have seen at sales are all "different". I don't really know most of their mums but would have to assume that they have thrown that way. The pasterns have also raised some concerns in some. But, I have seen some nice ones also.
The runners I saw last season look more like three year old types. Having said that our season started 1 August and apart from Dr Green in New Zealand I haven't seen other winners. We are in the midst of our Spring Carnivals in both Sydney and Melbourne. One of his did run second today in a strong mid-week race first up. Not sure where the others are though.
That's an interesting question.
We have two dominant stallions at moment in Redoute's Choice and Encosta De Lago. And they stand at $220k and $132k respectively.
Then there is a gap to Fu Peg at $77k who is also in the top echelon but unproven therefore one removed.
The general racing public know Redoute's and EDL. They also know Zabeel, the late Danehill and other top sires from this end of the globe.
The "general public" don't really know Fu Peg. You may get our races beamed over there but we don't get yours over here and believe me, the Kentucky Derby etc are races for die-hard racing fans, not the "general public".
The yearlings I have seen at sales are all "different". I don't really know most of their mums but would have to assume that they have thrown that way. The pasterns have also raised some concerns in some. But, I have seen some nice ones also.
The runners I saw last season look more like three year old types. Having said that our season started 1 August and apart from Dr Green in New Zealand I haven't seen other winners. We are in the midst of our Spring Carnivals in both Sydney and Melbourne. One of his did run second today in a strong mid-week race first up. Not sure where the others are though.
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Posted by FOS
"hi Flight
In the flesh...Fusaichi Pegasus' neck always appears to be set a bit high in his shoulder (in my opinion anyway).
Soon after his retirement (to Ashford), there were times (I would guess many) that he would have a surcingle in place, and draw reins to set him in a collected frame. He was then driven with long reins. I expect that the intent might be to strengthen the appropriate muscles so that he might carry his neck in a fashion which might reduce the high-headed look.
Have you ever seen the Coolmore crew downunder use the surcingle and draw reins on him?"
Hi FOS
I don't think that they would get the time FOS. I agree with Flight re FuPeg. For me though, I love Galileo.
"hi Flight
In the flesh...Fusaichi Pegasus' neck always appears to be set a bit high in his shoulder (in my opinion anyway).
Soon after his retirement (to Ashford), there were times (I would guess many) that he would have a surcingle in place, and draw reins to set him in a collected frame. He was then driven with long reins. I expect that the intent might be to strengthen the appropriate muscles so that he might carry his neck in a fashion which might reduce the high-headed look.
Have you ever seen the Coolmore crew downunder use the surcingle and draw reins on him?"
Hi FOS
I don't think that they would get the time FOS. I agree with Flight re FuPeg. For me though, I love Galileo.
hi guys
What does Montjeu look like...up close and in the flesh? As a young sire (with only his second northern hemisphere crop of racing age running this year...2005) his percentages...stats...plus top-class runners...are sensational (maybe an understatement)...WOW.
He's off to some start...
...most recently as today his 3-yo son Hurricane Run won arguably Europe's most prestigious race...the Arc, in Paris...again...WOW.
Respectfully
What does Montjeu look like...up close and in the flesh? As a young sire (with only his second northern hemisphere crop of racing age running this year...2005) his percentages...stats...plus top-class runners...are sensational (maybe an understatement)...WOW.
He's off to some start...
...most recently as today his 3-yo son Hurricane Run won arguably Europe's most prestigious race...the Arc, in Paris...again...WOW.
Respectfully
No doubt that Montjeu is an excellent young sire. However, his stats, in themselves, while highly promising, are perhaps not yet worthy of a "WOW," largely because he is so young.
The most recent stats I could find for Montjeu:
250 foals, 127 runners (51%), 53 winners (21%), 12 SWs (4.5%), 4 GSWs (1.6%), and 3 G1SW (1%).
Contrast this with Giant's Causeway, who has been lambasted for having poor stats:
387 foals, 160r (41%), 66 winners (17%), 9 SWs (2.3%), 6 GSWs (1.6%), and 4 G1SWs (1%).
So far, it seems like Montjeu gets more runners and more stakes winners, but Giant's Causeway's stakes winners, on a whole, are higher class (2/3 of his SWs are graded to 1/3 of Montjeu's; almost 1/2 of his stakes winners are G1SWs to 1/4 of Montjeu's).
And remember, the only horse to beat Montjeu's great Arc winner is...Shamardal, a son of Giant's Causeway.
I bring this up only to suggest that in this era of big books, stats don't tell the whole story in regards to young sires.
ef
The most recent stats I could find for Montjeu:
250 foals, 127 runners (51%), 53 winners (21%), 12 SWs (4.5%), 4 GSWs (1.6%), and 3 G1SW (1%).
Contrast this with Giant's Causeway, who has been lambasted for having poor stats:
387 foals, 160r (41%), 66 winners (17%), 9 SWs (2.3%), 6 GSWs (1.6%), and 4 G1SWs (1%).
So far, it seems like Montjeu gets more runners and more stakes winners, but Giant's Causeway's stakes winners, on a whole, are higher class (2/3 of his SWs are graded to 1/3 of Montjeu's; almost 1/2 of his stakes winners are G1SWs to 1/4 of Montjeu's).
And remember, the only horse to beat Montjeu's great Arc winner is...Shamardal, a son of Giant's Causeway
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I bring this up only to suggest that in this era of big books, stats don't tell the whole story in regards to young sires.
ef
FOS wrote:hi guys
What does Montjeu look like...up close and in the flesh? As a young sire (with only his second northern hemisphere crop of racing age running this year...2005) his percentages...stats...plus top-class runners...are sensational (maybe an understatement)...WOW.
He's off to some start...
...most recently as today his 3-yo son Hurricane Run won arguably Europe's most prestigious race...the Arc, in Paris...again...WOW.
Respectfully
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While it is true that GC has many more foals, I would like to mention that the above stats aren't really fair to him, as they include his first Australian crop, who haven't yet hit the track. I included them because I wasn't sure if the Montjeu stats included his Australian crops or not.
Giant's Causeway actually presently has 289 named Northern Hemisphere foals, so his NH statistics are: 55% runners, 23% winners, 3.1% stakes winners, 2.1% GSWs, and 1.4% G1SWs.
Anyone know how many of Montjeu's foals are Northern Hempisphere?
Giant's Causeway actually presently has 289 named Northern Hemisphere foals, so his NH statistics are: 55% runners, 23% winners, 3.1% stakes winners, 2.1% GSWs, and 1.4% G1SWs.
Anyone know how many of Montjeu's foals are Northern Hempisphere?
Intrinsic Worth wrote:I just wish stallions had a level playing field and the JC would limit books on stallions. GC has twice as many offspring as his nearest competitiors on the second crop sires list.