Songandaprayer - is he much more than a sprint sire?

[Maven]

Well now that we have your "conclusion", the world can start turning again.

And once again, I stated anyone who was expecting a two turn horse from Songandaprayer didn't need to be breeding horses. BUT, just like with most, have enough stamina on the bottom, and you can get a good two turn horse. That was the answer to the very direct question... not your ridiculous convoluted bullshit.

[Rokeby Forever]

My convoluted bullshit...try again!

The thread discusses Songandaprayer - you brought the subject of broodies into the equation. The same thing can apply to ANY stallion.

[Maven]

Which I made perfectly clear. Can he get a two turn horse? YES. Does it depend on stamina on the bottom? YES. FOS agrees. You agree.

Whats your issue?

I'm out for the night. Enjoy debating yourself, among other things you're going to do by yourself, im sure.

[Rokeby Forever]

Then why pose the question of any sire? Your reasoning concludes that there has never been a strictly sprint oriented sire that ever stood.

Ok, I'll debate myself. In the meanwhile, I'm sure you'll debate with others...isn't mass debating more your style?

[FOS]

hi Maven...hi Rok

If you'll allow me.

You (Rokeby Forever) completely missed the point. FOS was asking IF Songandaprayer COULD get a two turn horse of quality.

Whooooa...Maven. Misquote ALERT, I NEVER asked "...IF Songandaprayer COULD get a two turn horse of quality." Those are your words.

If you recall, the exact title of the thread (and what I intended to be the #1 question for discussion here) is ... Songandaprayer - is he much more than a sprint sire?

My intent is NOT to pour fuel on a fire, or revisit everything that's been written on this thread, but rather to attempt to clarify what you (Maven), and possibly others, might have construed/interpreted to be something other than what I intended to be the #1 question for discussion here.

That question is ... Songandaprayer - is he much more than a sprint sire?

Best to you.

Respectfully

[Rokeby Forever]

Welcome to the club, FOS. You're now a victim of the "I'll answer my own question my own way" syndrome.

[Maven]

...it seems that I'm hearing many (including former supporters of his) raising questions/concerns/doubts re Songandaprayer's ability (or lack thereof) in getting much (at least thus far) in the way of quality two-turn runners.

Thoughts?

Respectfully

I took the liberty of bolding part of your original post. So, saying you're "hearing questions/concerns/doubts re Songandaprayer's ability (or lack thereof) in getting much (at least thus far) in the way of quality two-turn runners" and then asking our "thoughts" on it is in no way directly related to "IF Songandaprayer COULD get a two turn horse of quality."?

[FOS]

hi Maven

...it seems that I'm hearing many (including former supporters of his) raising questions/concerns/doubts re Songandaprayer's ability (or lack thereof) in getting much (at least thus far) in the way of quality two-turn runners.

Thoughts?

Respectfully

I took the liberty of bolding part of your original post. So, saying you're "hearing questions/concerns/doubts re Songandaprayer's ability (or lack thereof) in getting much (at least thus far) in the way of quality two-turn runners" and then asking our "thoughts" on it is in no way directly related to "IF Songandaprayer COULD get a two turn horse of quality."?

I would submit that what I wrote and what you wrote are distinctly different.

As you know (and you quoted above) I wrote (in my initial post on this topic) that "...it seems that I'm hearing many (including former supporters of his) raising questions/concerns/doubts re Songandaprayer's ability (or lack thereof) in getting much (at least thus far) in the way of two-turn runners." If you'll read what I wrote, again, you might now better understand why I included words such as getting much (at least thus far) (which I bolded and enlarged for this post). I included those words (among others) because I believe they are key to, and go the heart of, the intended meaning/gist of the comment.

That said...when I read your interpretation of what I had written (which you directed to Rokeby Forever), I wrote to you (and Rok) that "My intent is NOT to pour fuel on a fire, or revisit everything that's been written on this thread, but rather to attempt to clarify what you (Maven), and possibly others, might have construed/interpreted to be something other than what I intended to be the #1 question for discussion here."

Again, and respectfully of course Maven, I did NOT ask ... IF Songandaprayer COULD get a two turn horse of quality. Those were your words.

What I intended to be the #1 question for discussion here, still is ... Songandaprayer - will he be much more than a sprint sire?.

Best to you.

Respectfully

[Maven]

This is almost as ridiculous as your "good, great fantastic, awesome, fantabulous, the bee's knees" stallion definitions.

We'll agree to disagree on this one. I read your quote and plainly see a direct correlation to what I wrote, you're standing by something different. Fine. It's all good in the hood, yo.

Respectfully respectful,

Maven

[Rokeby Forever]

Maven's logic argues that Phone Chatter proves that Phone Trick could sire a two turn horse of quality if bred to the right mare...so there's no such thing as a stallion being strictly a "sprint sire."

ANY sire can sire a good two turn horse...so, Maven's point with Songandaprayer siring a two turn horse is moot - it applies to every stallion on the planet.

[FOS]

hi Maven

This is almost as ridiculous as your "good, great fantastic, awesome, fantabulous, the bee's knees" stallion definitions.

Unfortunate that you've stooped to insults...sadly it reflects on you and helps to define who/what you are.

Respectfully

[Maven]

I didn't say you were ridiculous (which would have been an insult), I said your prior tangents about stallions and your personal classifications I found ridiculous... much like your reply to this. That's not a personal attack... it's an opinion about an opinion you expressed. If you cant see the difference, than that's on you.

And for the record, your "definition" of me is about as relevant and important as the majority of your posts. Thank God, that's not much.

[Maven]

Maven's logic argues that Phone Chatter proves that Phone Trick could sire a two turn horse of quality if bred to the right mare...so there's no such thing as a stallion being strictly a "sprint sire."

ANY sire can sire a good two turn horse...so, Maven's point with Songandaprayer siring a two turn horse is moot - it applies to every stallion on the planet.

I dont believe in absolutes, especially when talking about genetics. You can be a speed source, but it doesn't mean you cant get a two turn horse if bred to enough stamina.