Majestic Warrior...is he a stallion prospect extraordinaire

[Maven]

I would certainly argue that with abbreviated campaigns, the BC weighs more heavily now than it did back in '88. Although, again, there was a horse who had no actually won a stakes race before winning the "big" one.

[Rokeby Forever]

Although, again, there was a horse who had no actually won a stakes race before winning the "big" one.

The same can be said of Street Sense.

The title is "Two Year Old of the Year." Since when is one race the equivalent of a year? Take horses like Anees and Action This Day - why not just refer to them as "BC Champions" and give the Eclipse to a horse that isn't a one hit wonder?

[FOS]

hi guys

There are 27 Nominations (which closed Saturday Sept 22, 2007) to The Champagne-G1 (at Belmont Park).

List of the nominated horses and their trainers:

Anakim.....John C Kimmel

Big Brown.....Patrick L Reynolds

Bull Rider.....Jamie Sanders

Cave's Valley.....Michael J Trombetta

Chitoz.....Todd A Pletcher

Cudjo.....Mark Shuman

Double Down Vinman.....Anthony W Dutrow

Fed Watcher.....Richard A Violette, Jr.

Fidelio.....Robert J Frankel

J Be K.....Bob Baffert

Lantana Mob.....Steven M Asmussen

Law Enforcement.....Mark A Hennig

Majestic Warrior.....William I Mott

Mikimoto's Mojo.....Patrick Mouton

Paint.....Nicholas P Zito

Pyro.....Steven M Asmussen

Ready Set.....Michael R Matz

Ready's Image.....Todd A Pletcher

Referee.....Todd A Pletcher

Silver Edition.....D Wayne Lucas

Sir Paul Thau.....Jamie Sanders

Slew's Tiznow.....Patrick L Biancone

Texas Fever.....Michael Stidham

The Leopard.....Todd A Pletcher

The Roundhouse.....Todd A Pletcher

War Pass.....Nicholas P Zito

Z Humor.....William I Mott

Thoughts?

Respectfully

[Rokeby Forever]

Only one - Bill Mott must LOVE Z Humor if he's nominated with Majestic Warrior. Not like Mott to ask his babies for much, so he must think this one is pretty good if he thought to nominate him (even if he doesn't enter him in the race).

[bdw0617]

War Pass.

[FOS]

hi bdw0617

War Pass.

Take a look at his dams' sires...

1st dam by Mr Prospector

2nd dam by Hoist the Flag

3rd dam by Bold Ruler

4th dam by Hill Prince

Very nice, don't you think?

Respectfully

[bdw0617]

War pass is my derby horse.

He's Zito's best horse since Bellamy Road.

Pedigree wise, he's from the same family as Oath, Vision of Beauty, Rail, Country LIght, Racket and Great Intentions

he's by Cherokee Run, who is in my top 5 fav stallions right now... he's sneaky hot

[Maven]

War Pass' pedigree structure is the best of the lot in my opinion. I love the way he's linebred.

With that said, Cherokee Run can be inconsistent and they often seems to fizzle after showing great promise.

Interestingly enough, the last two Juvie winners carried the RF and this year, not one early entrant has it. There goes that angle!

[bdw0617]

boy THAT is a handicapping angle you won't find in brisnet


I dont' see it in SS?


As far as cherokee run, could you make the arguement that he is really, just now.. starting to get good mares? could that contribute to his fizzle factor in the past?

what I find amazing is that sprinters seem to make the best stallions... Mr. P, Storm Cat to me is really a sprinter, Cherokee run was a champion sprinter... Pleasant Tap was a sprinter...

And cherokee runs can go as short and as long as anyone.

[Rokeby Forever]

The only thing positive about the RF is that it's the initials of my ID here.

Z Humor, in my mind, is bred very well for the KY Derby - and he's got the right trainer. He's the one to follow from this list.

[Maven]

boy THAT is a handicapping angle you won't find in brisnet


I dont' see it in SS?


As far as cherokee run, could you make the arguement that he is really, just now.. starting to get good mares? could that contribute to his fizzle factor in the past?

what I find amazing is that sprinters seem to make the best stallions... Mr. P, Storm Cat to me is really a sprinter, Cherokee run was a champion sprinter... Pleasant Tap was a sprinter...

And cherokee runs can go as short and as long as anyone.

Street Sense has the RF to Natalma, as do most of the better Street Cry's.

[Maven]

For what it's worth, I'm a firm believer in the RF but I understand when people argue against it, BUT horses with RF seem to fair exceptionally well in BC races it seems... often at real nice prices.

[Rokeby Forever]

I've got a more definitive factor than the RF baloney:

After painstaking research, I have found that ALL BC race winners had four legs and a tail. Now, that's a finding that really tells us something!

Most, if not all, losers of BC races also had them, but that's beside the point. If a horse doesn't have four legs and a tail, it won't win. If you need hard evidence and conclusive proof of this, PM me.

And...for those of you wondering: Yes, it applies to fillies and mares as well as colts. My studies conclude that the "Four Legs And A Tail Factor" has no gender bias.

[bdw0617]

humm.. interesting roke

what about the horses that have the little short tail that's wrapped up? Does that count in the four legs and a tail theory?

alot of people are trying to handicap breeding.y ou can't do it. breeding is like art. a good breeder knows the traits he's breeding with and puts two and two together and hopefully gets four. you make sure you dont' have much out of wack.. like scat daddy has 25% mr. p blood.. which IMHO makes him damn near impossible to bred to in america unless you want a grimlin

[Rokeby Forever]

what about the horses that have the little short tail that's wrapped up? Does that count in the four legs and a tail theory?

I did the study from the angle of long tails vs wrapped tails, and it didn't matter - as long as a horse has a tail, it qualifies.