tough/rogue/savage stallions

[amanda1]

Maven.....SAY WHAT?????

[myheartsezyes]

Wow, I hadn't heard that about Afleet's Dancer, my namesake has a 2007 filly by him.

[JCBloodstock]

Sportin Life - killed a groom and darn near killed an exercise rider

Dynaformer actually started stud at Nathan Fox's Warfare Farm prior to Three Chimneys getting him - I stood Blumin Affair one year(Dynaformers leading son at stud) - he was great to handle

Rattle Dancer - extreme nut case to humans and mares

Alydar would also ravage mares (they had lead covers and helmets they had to put on some mares)

I had Premierships full brother Commemorate - nicest stallion I ever had.Great breeding horse yet you could ride him bareback with a halter and lead rope

Fappiano Road (Dynaformer family) - not mean to humans but a horse that always wanted to be someplace else than where he was - he'd kick a stall wall till his legs swelled up,paddock he'd go thru wood fences and pipe paddocks he knocked out half his teeth biting the bars - I watched him one day in the paddock literally stand in the middle and kick,strike and beller for a solid hour.He went back to Texas after one season,I told the hauler he wouldn't fall asleep on the way back.Hauler called me and said he literally kicked all the way to Texas-said he had drugged him and I told him when he left not to do that (it made him worse).

Acaroid - Good breeding horse but stay out of his paddock and stall - very territorial

I've had a few Mr. Prospectors that havn't had the most glowing personalities either

[Lucy]

I've heard that Malinowski was a nasty one.

[MillyMix]

Singspiels stable name is unrepetable, hes not the easiest of stallions to work with it would seem. Maybe its the Halo line shining through! I have a 3 year old colt here by Singspiel whos fine now, but when he returned home from training he was pretty screwed up.

Shareef Dancer mauled several of his stallion men and bit fingers off a few more. I took a mare to him for covering and had never seen or heard anything like it. I heard him before I saw him, it was then like silence of the lambs. 5 men with broom handles walking beside him, he was roaring like a bull. He had a muzzle on, chifney and a chain in his mouth. The day he died in a covering accident I think the stallion handlers cheered. He was always left until last to be swabbed by the vet, as they new the other stallions were done before the phoned the ambulance I have a daughter of his here who can be very quirky, thankfully she trusts me.

Does anyone else think that most of the stallions mentioned heres temperament could have been caused by the environment they were brought up in?

[jjmcgo]

Sportin' Life's trainer Del Carroll, who trained Bee Bee Bee, saddled him for a 1982 predawn workout at Keeneland. Later, they found Sportin' Life wandering around the track property with a saddle on. After a short search, they found Del dead. The horse had apparently bucked him off.

[DEACON]

I was dropping of a filly today at a trainer friend of mine here in Louisiana.The morning rider was talking about this deadly stallion that was sent to them because the up state owners was fed up trying to control him.He was an own son of stormcat that was ruled off the track after deciding to attack someone there.They could only know try him at the breeding shed.That was another story in itself.They said that once seeing a person or anther horse he became this viscious monster.The trainer said this was the meanest animal he has ever been around.Well this week they bought him to the stockyard and warned anyone before wanting to bring him home.He bought a check of $75.00 before the deductions were taken out.

[adrienne]

I had Premierships full brother Commemorate - nicest stallion I ever had.Great breeding horse yet you could ride him bareback with a halter and lead rope

Then why is Tough Call such an @$$hole?!

ROFL.

Actually, you can tell he hasn't been well handled. When he loses interest in a mare, you snatch him hard with the shank a couple times and he's right back into it. What kind of handling causes a stallion to go S&M?

I don't want to point the finger at Mare Haven... but I've now handled Sabona, Tough Call, and Composer who were all there, and they ALL required a serious re-education.

Sabona and Composer are really sweet, they just had to be taught NOT to rush mares (my pet peeve). Tough Call though... he's just really an odd horse.

He had a hernia this spring which lead to surgery, cold hosing, hand walking, and stall rest. He's better now... more like a really dangerous gelding than a really dangerous stallion.

[kezeli]

Ok sorry but I'm bumping this back up :wink: I rreally would like to know the name of the book someone on this board mentioned awhile ago that had short stories on a bunch of hard to handle horses and how they were managed, sounded like a good read and really helps explain some jerks we've all met before. Oh and I did take care of quite a few Rattle Dancers that were no fun at all, one of the reasons I didn't work in Mi much :wink:

[JCBloodstock]

Then why is Tough Call such an @$$hole?!

Then why is Tough Call such an @$$hole?!

I was actually the underbidder for "Tough Call" when he sold at Keeneland as a stallion prospect.I would say "Commemorate" had better trainers.Laz Barrera when he was on the track and he started his stallion career at Windfield's in Canada.It's hard to find diehard horsemen like Laz and The Windfield's staff use to be.You probably remember Connecticut here in Iowa.I bought him off of a kill truck and not 2 weeks after buying him I think it was Mare Haven that tried to buy him for like $30,000 but my client wouldn't sell.Timber Creek had the mentality of John Franks,if their willing to pay $30k maybe they'll pay $60k.I don't know how many stallions I thought I had bought from Franks only to get a truck their and have him back out of the deal.For Timber Creek,I purchased "Shotiche" out of Keeneland for $10,000 and 6 months later Timber Creek turned down $150,000 for him for the idiotic reason it wasn't enough profit.They eventually sold both Connecticut and Shotiche for $5,000 and $10,000;Gettin' greedy in a regional market is very bad business sense.

As a side note Adrienne - nice to see the Gulch mare that few liked on the forum here produced stakes winner number 2 this year and had a high selling Bravo Bull yearling in the Iowa sale this year.It was a good looker and I'm happy for Iowa State.

[rudydee]

JC

I sent you a PM.

RD

[summerhorse]

I was dropping of a filly today at a trainer friend of mine here in Louisiana.The morning rider was talking about this deadly stallion that was sent to them because the up state owners was fed up trying to control him.He was an own son of stormcat that was ruled off the track after deciding to attack someone there.They could only know try him at the breeding shed.That was another story in itself.They said that once seeing a person or anther horse he became this viscious monster.The trainer said this was the meanest animal he has ever been around.Well this week they bought him to the stockyard and warned anyone before wanting to bring him home.He bought a check of $75.00 before the deductions were taken out.

You mean the took him to the kill buyer for a grand sum of $75?

They couldn't have shot him and put him in the back 40 somewhere if they didn't want to pay the backhoe?

[kezeli]

I always have to wonder what people are thinking, exposing others to some really bad horse instead of just taking care of it them selves. I have euthinized bad dogs rather than push the problem off on someone else.

[westover]

JCBloodstock wasn't Shotiche up here in Ontario a number of years back? I had a gelding by hím??? He came from Gus Schickadanz (sp)

I had a filly that just sold this Sept and she was beautiful, by Ascot Knight but mean as a snake as many of his fillies are. She was so bad if i had to giver her anything ie: injection, i injected her from outside of her stall through the bars. The vet and the blacksmith prayed she didn't end up in any of the barns they frequented!!! The people that bought her are very nice people, my husband was on the racet track a few weeks back, when the man stopped him (and of course my husband is thinking, "ok hear it comes"). The man told him how nice she was and easy to break LOL we still cannot believe it!!!

The other thing i wanted to mention was Mobil, he was very bad and use to have a pylon in front of his stall so no one would walk close to his stall as he would grab anything that moved. I was at Windfields open house two years ago & they brought him out, when they got him back in the stall they couldn't get his halter off.. he was being a tad bad!!! Finally after struggling with him for some time (there were 2 handlers in with him) Simon Cassidy came and rescued them!!!

[Galileo]

Spinning World is an absolute monster of a stallion.