What Will The Fees Be?

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Postby madelyn » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:29 am

walaa wrote:I'll be there, if anyone wants to place a friendly wager at the bar :D My God, man! what does it take to get a wager going on here :lol: I have offered so many times to meet at the bar, at sales, at races, must be fear of losing the bar tab that scares folks off :D Well, I'll be there, and Im betting Zenyatta to win, period. I dont even think QR will be a factor, at Churchill, at 1 1/4, anyways...if anyone is so sure they all can beat her, I'll be waiting for you :) Dont be scared, my tab at keeneland this sale was only 20$ its not that scary, come on and put your $ where your mouth is, if you're so sure QR and others can beat Z, and we'll have a great time no matter who wins!!!!!!!!!


Which bar?

I will be in the paddock...
So Run for the Roses, as fast as you can.....

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Postby walaa » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:50 am

I havent been to Churchill since Strike The Gold won in '91 :shock: So I dont remember where the libation stations are exactly, but Im going to try to be in the paddock too. I want to see Zenyatta so badly! But I really just want to have fun and see some great racing, I cant wait!

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Postby LB » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:33 am

Tappiano wrote:Candy Ride doubles, are they going to stand QR for more in this market when CR's fee is reasonable and he's 100% more proven?


I don't think Candy Ride's fee is going to double although I could be wrong about that. But in answer to your question, yes, I suspect so.

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Postby Tappiano » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:40 am

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Re: race

Postby madelyn » Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:03 am

walaa wrote:I havent been to Churchill since Strike The Gold won in '91 :shock: So I dont remember where the libation stations are exactly, but Im going to try to be in the paddock too. I want to see Zenyatta so badly! But I really just want to have fun and see some great racing, I cant wait!


Well it has ALL changed. The new casino (minus slots, etc) dwarfs the old twin spires. Silks has moved up to the 2nd floor of the casino, opposite the food court. Besides Silks there aren't really any "bars" - just drink lines and beer stations. I usually pack some kind of food (sandwiches, etc.) I gave up beer for Lent in 2009 and have lost 22 lbs - there isn't anything else available/worth messing with at the track, so I don't bet booze. Mint juleps are nasty. We could bet $5 which would buy you a drink if you won..

I will pick out something distintive to wear a day or two before and we can maybe find each other in the paddock.
So Run for the Roses, as fast as you can.....

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Postby Tappiano » Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:07 am

walaa wrote:I havent been to Churchill since Strike The Gold won in '91 :shock: So I dont remember where the libation stations are exactly, but Im going to try to be in the paddock too. I want to see Zenyatta so badly! But I really just want to have fun and see some great racing, I cant wait!


That was my ONLY derby! We had awful, awful seats located at the top of the stretch and I had NO clue who won. I have upheld my promise to myself that I would only go back if I had good seats and since I have not tried to get any it's been easy to say no.

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Postby LB » Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:08 am

Tappiano wrote:I "think" :wink: he's also pretty much booked full. That's one bad thing about boards that are spidered, it does not take them long to hit the search engines... so one tends to be careful about what is said content wise.

What do you think Sidney will stand for in 2011?


Who is booked full?

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Postby Tappiano » Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:38 am

Take a guess... it is not my place to make that announcement.

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Postby LB » Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:58 pm

Tappiano wrote:Take a guess... it is not my place to make that announcement.


Nice crytic answer. I don't actually need to guess. Instead I will say with absolute certainty there are no stallions in KY whose 2011 books are closed right now.

I'm assuming that the horse you're referring to is a very popular stallion. Probably one who's already had a lot of interest expressed. But stallions--especially popular ones--aren't booked on a first come, first served basis. At this point in the year, when fees have yet to be announced the majority of mare owners haven't yet submitted their mares anywhere.

So here's how it works. Imagine there's a stallion--Mr. Popular--who will have a book of 130 mares in 2011. The stallion manager already has 130 submissions. Why on earth would he want to close the book now? Instead, he'll wait until fees are announced and everyone submits. Then he'll have 250-300 mares to choose from and he can narrow that down to the best matches, or the graded stakes producing mares, or the ones with high-fertility, or that belong to to past clients who pay their bills promptly. Whatever means he uses to choose, he's going to retain that choice. He's not going to close the book in October just because some people called early. (If only it was that easy to get a bad mare to a good stallion!)

As an aside, since no one knows yet how much they're going to be paying, the fact that submissions are coming in early is in no way binding on either side--and won't be until stud fees are announced and contracts are subsequently signed.

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Postby Fireslam » Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:29 pm

I think Tappiano likes to "cryptically" think she has the inside track to Candy Ride. His fee may well rise, but it won't double. His sales figures do not support it. He's almost a "breed to race" stallion.

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Postby LB » Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:57 pm

Fireslam wrote:I think Tappiano likes to "cryptically" think she has the inside track to Candy Ride. His fee may well rise, but it won't double. His sales figures do not support it. He's almost a "breed to race" stallion.


Well I figured we were either talking about Candy Ride or Quality Road. Just didn't know which one. Why does Tap have the inside track to CR? Or why does she think she does?

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Postby Tappiano » Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:46 pm

Fireslam wrote:I think Tappiano likes to "cryptically" think she has the inside track to Candy Ride. His fee may well rise, but it won't double. His sales figures do not support it. He's almost a "breed to race" stallion.


LB you don't have to talk about me, that's what PM's are for, if you wanted to know why not ask? You're just baiting someone who seems to teeter on the edge of being a troll.
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Postby Tappiano » Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:56 am

Touch Gold is moving to New York so his fee is going to drop.

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Postby Georgerz » Sat Oct 16, 2010 7:45 pm

Will Congrats fee raise above $25k? He's doing exceptionally well with his first crop.

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Postby dublino » Sun Oct 17, 2010 2:03 am

Georgerz wrote:Will Congrats fee raise above $25k? He's doing exceptionally well with his first crop.


2 graded stakes winners from 100 foals = 2% truely exceptional :roll:
17 winners from 46 runners. 17% winners to foals.
So a rise from $4,500 to $25,000 is warranted?