You wrote:
"They think they can pick off a G1 because he is getting G1 performers."
Magnificent Lady won a Grade 1 this year...who else? WHO ELSE IN 2006???
That's it...you're just a f***ing moron.
Unbridled's Song as a "sire of sires"
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OOps...Magnificent Song, not Magnificent lady.
Only FOUR of his offspring even earned the $200,000 fee back this year. I mean, geesh! Lifetime, he's got only 3 millionaires - and people will pay $1 Million for a foal because of track earning potential???
He's getting Grade 1 performers? You're more than a moron, Sam!
Only FOUR of his offspring even earned the $200,000 fee back this year. I mean, geesh! Lifetime, he's got only 3 millionaires - and people will pay $1 Million for a foal because of track earning potential???
He's getting Grade 1 performers? You're more than a moron, Sam!
Please don't make me start locking threads and deleting posts. If two people want to "have at" eachother, please take it private. The rest of us don't want to see this back and forth banter, name calling, and borderline cursing (with the inserted stars.) I've already had to rap knuckles for this once, consider this warning #2. Please insert very stern look HERE.
Now, if everyone would please politely and pleasantly participate in (not monopolize... PARTICIPATE IN) this and other similar conversations, I would very much appreciate it.
Now, if everyone would please politely and pleasantly participate in (not monopolize... PARTICIPATE IN) this and other similar conversations, I would very much appreciate it.
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hi brogers
Who are you referring to as the "customer" "that you have to get...in the best position to get a return otherwise they don't come back"...the party that you are representing as agent re the sale of their horse, or the buyer (or prospective buyer) of that horse?
This is not a trick question...but I have heard many many former TM clients say that they felt that TM all-too-often looked out for the best interest of their regular buyers before they looked out for the best interest of some of those that they represented as agent re the sale of their horse/s.
Best to you.
Respectfully
brogers wrote:We are in a service industry and we are always aware that you have to get your customer in the best position to get a return otherwise they don't come back - it is a simple as that.
Who are you referring to as the "customer" "that you have to get...in the best position to get a return otherwise they don't come back"...the party that you are representing as agent re the sale of their horse, or the buyer (or prospective buyer) of that horse?
This is not a trick question...but I have heard many many former TM clients say that they felt that TM all-too-often looked out for the best interest of their regular buyers before they looked out for the best interest of some of those that they represented as agent re the sale of their horse/s.
Best to you.
Respectfully
FOS, you and I both know that brogers cannot answer that question. In fact, almost the entire industry cannot answer that question. It is within that problem that a great many problems exist.
I have used many of the bigger consignors and a few smaller consignors. Initially, I thought the small guy may be better, but in many cases they were so thirsty to climb the ladder that they would sell the small client out in a heart-beat.
Of the bigger consignors, I actually think Taylor Made was the most upfront and fair, at least with me. They had massive organizational and communication problems (however this was less than a year after Joe died, so I must cut them some slack because I truly think it was his management that they were missing).
I actually heard a consignor complain about clients not being loyal... I could not help myself and darn near ended up in a rather nasty confrontation when I informed him that maybe he should stop selling his small and new clients out. Of course, when I threw a couple precise and exact examples in his face and informed him that in many other occupations he would be doing jail time, he settled down... and tried to deny the examples... which is another source of the problem.... these guys do not think that they will ever get caught or that anyone ever knows what they are doing...
Anyway, I think it true that TM will take care of their A list clients first (and yes, they do have an A list... it is even the exact term they use), but they are not as bad as many others... and I also have never heard of them selling anyone out for their own personal account. Many consignors will do this (albeit through back-door methods), and end up making quite a bit of money selling a horse, later, for their own account, while the original owner, whom they represented, did not do nearly as well.
In any case, brogers simply cannot answer that question, nor should he be expected too.
Now, if you can get to one of the Taylor boys...
I have used many of the bigger consignors and a few smaller consignors. Initially, I thought the small guy may be better, but in many cases they were so thirsty to climb the ladder that they would sell the small client out in a heart-beat.
Of the bigger consignors, I actually think Taylor Made was the most upfront and fair, at least with me. They had massive organizational and communication problems (however this was less than a year after Joe died, so I must cut them some slack because I truly think it was his management that they were missing).
I actually heard a consignor complain about clients not being loyal... I could not help myself and darn near ended up in a rather nasty confrontation when I informed him that maybe he should stop selling his small and new clients out. Of course, when I threw a couple precise and exact examples in his face and informed him that in many other occupations he would be doing jail time, he settled down... and tried to deny the examples... which is another source of the problem.... these guys do not think that they will ever get caught or that anyone ever knows what they are doing...
Anyway, I think it true that TM will take care of their A list clients first (and yes, they do have an A list... it is even the exact term they use), but they are not as bad as many others... and I also have never heard of them selling anyone out for their own personal account. Many consignors will do this (albeit through back-door methods), and end up making quite a bit of money selling a horse, later, for their own account, while the original owner, whom they represented, did not do nearly as well.
In any case, brogers simply cannot answer that question, nor should he be expected too.
Now, if you can get to one of the Taylor boys...
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By "customer" I was referring to the breeder who sends his mare to Unbridled's Song. You are right, it is a difficult question to answer but from my viewpoint if the commercial breeder who sends a mare to the stallion continuously fails to make a return on their investment then they start looking elsewhere. As much as we need buyers, and we work overtime to make sure that we have them as they form a vital part of the "value" attached to any service fee, we need breeders to breed to and continue to breed to the stallion in the first place.
By "customer" I was referring to the breeder who sends his mare to Unbridled's Song. You are right, it is a difficult question to answer but from my viewpoint if the commercial breeder who sends a mare to the stallion continuously fails to make a return on their investment then they start looking elsewhere. As much as we need buyers, and we work overtime to make sure that we have them as they form a vital part of the "value" attached to any service fee, we need breeders to breed to and continue to breed to the stallion in the first place.
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I went to the Taylor Made website - I'd first like to say that I like what the farm has done with it.
I went to the Unbridled's Song link just to see if Sam is right - that Unbridled's Song is sold based on track performers ("Grade 1 perfomers," as Sam put it) and not on the promise of sons becoming future sires.
On a link called "Unbridled's Song - sire of sires", I found this quote:
"Unbridled’s Song had long ago established his position among the elite American stallions, both in the sales ring and on the racetrack. Now his young sire sons are earning Unbridled’s Song the coveted title of ‘Sire of Sires’."
In descending order of links, this "sire of sires" link appeared ABOVE a link speaking about Magnificent Song (his only Grade 1 winner this year) and ABOVE a link speaking about Octave (Grade 2 winner, BC Juvie Filly placed).
Buddha's winning a Grade 1 in only 4 career starts and earning $489,000 isn't a bad stat for Unbridled's Song. But Buddha got 117 mares in his first year despite racing only 4 times. That's pretty mouthwatering - don't you think?
Now, if Unbridled's Song's $200,000 fee is based on racetrack performance and NOT on Unbridled's Song as a "sire of sires," why is the link order of importance on his sons that are standing stud? Pretty good question, I think.
Websites are a marketing tool and lots of consultants give advice and make sure they're done right. I'm sure Taylor Made's is completely error-free.
I went to the Unbridled's Song link just to see if Sam is right - that Unbridled's Song is sold based on track performers ("Grade 1 perfomers," as Sam put it) and not on the promise of sons becoming future sires.
On a link called "Unbridled's Song - sire of sires", I found this quote:
"Unbridled’s Song had long ago established his position among the elite American stallions, both in the sales ring and on the racetrack. Now his young sire sons are earning Unbridled’s Song the coveted title of ‘Sire of Sires’."
In descending order of links, this "sire of sires" link appeared ABOVE a link speaking about Magnificent Song (his only Grade 1 winner this year) and ABOVE a link speaking about Octave (Grade 2 winner, BC Juvie Filly placed).
Buddha's winning a Grade 1 in only 4 career starts and earning $489,000 isn't a bad stat for Unbridled's Song. But Buddha got 117 mares in his first year despite racing only 4 times. That's pretty mouthwatering - don't you think?
Now, if Unbridled's Song's $200,000 fee is based on racetrack performance and NOT on Unbridled's Song as a "sire of sires," why is the link order of importance on his sons that are standing stud? Pretty good question, I think.
Websites are a marketing tool and lots of consultants give advice and make sure they're done right. I'm sure Taylor Made's is completely error-free.
