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Postby Jean » Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:53 am

On checking on him found out he is a bit of a rogue. Grabbed his handler's arm and broke it this summer.

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Postby pfrsue » Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:04 am

Did anyone catch the television ad for Dynaformer during the Breeders Cup on ESPN yesterday?

"World class dad, loves kids..."

All I could think was: raw or cooked? :shock: :wink:

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Postby timex » Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:35 am

madelyn wrote:And Roberto and his offspring, as well as the Storm Cats, are notorious.


really? my roberto is a doll, my 3 1/2 son rides her, feeds her, leads her around... and i know others with Roberto babies, no complaints there, either. now, storm cats on the other hand.... not a big fan of anything by fleetwood mac, either. he was a big hunter sire in the 80's, early 90's.
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Postby Barbaro06 » Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:27 am

pfrsue wrote:Did anyone catch the television ad for Dynaformer during the Breeders Cup on ESPN yesterday?

"World class dad, loves kids..."

All I could think was: raw or cooked? :shock: :wink:


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Postby Prairie » Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:57 pm

I've heard that Richter Scale can cause some damage.

We got to see him out in his paddock, and he looked every inch the "Super Stud". Gorgeous!

Friend's Lake was a good guy when we visited, but he was also very well-handled by his groom.

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Postby zinn21 » Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:18 pm

Speaking of Richter Scale, I noticed he only bred 6 mares last spring. Was he ill or just a complete failure in KY?

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Postby summerhorse » Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:35 pm

*Rock Sand was supposed to have a very good disposition. In fact he was imported specifically for his daughters to be bred to Fair Play and hopefully tone down the attitude. So the story goes anyway!
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Postby Tappiano » Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:42 pm

This thread gets the award for the most days between posts :D or because every stallion in between was unworthy of inclusion in the thread.

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Postby Barcaldine » Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:46 pm

*Noor was tough, but not mean or roguish.

However, other *Nasrullah sons like BOLD RULER, FLEET NASRULLAH, and NASHVILLE were diabolical and dangerous.

LITTLE CURRENT and his sire *SEA-BIRD had mean streaks in them.

I was told by Claiborne that DEVIL'S BAG was one of their nicest horses, while DAMASCUS, *FORLI, TOM ROLFE and SEEKING THE GOLD could be dangerous.

STORM BIRD was likely the worst of the worst, though. It took three tough Irish lads to handle him when he was brought from his stall.

In 1993 I was at Kerr Stock Farm in California when FOOLISH PLEASURE, then 21 years old, arrived. The next day I was chatting with the farm manager when the horse's groom appeared at the doorway, white as a ghost. Apparently he had turned his back on the horse as he was leaving his stall when he felt a burst of air approaching him from behind. He dived out the bottom of the stall door just before FOOLISH PLEASURE's open mouth could grab him.

When the manager heard this he told the boy, "go take care of him." I didn't know what this meant but when he returned in 10 minutes with a big grin on his face and a bullwhip in his hand I figured it out.

Beating on an old horse is the epitome of bad horsemanship and was likely the common treatment Foolish Pleasure received for many years prior to this final attack. I moved my horses at Kerr Stock Farm within a few weeks of watching this sad event.

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Postby Mood Swings » Sun Nov 06, 2011 5:00 pm

Barcaldine wrote:*Noor was tough, but not mean or roguish.

However, other *Nasrullah sons like BOLD RULER, FLEET NASRULLAH, and NASHVILLE were diabolical and dangerous.

LITTLE CURRENT and his sire *SEA-BIRD had mean streaks in them.

I was told by Claiborne that DEVIL'S BAG was one of their nicest horses, while DAMASCUS, *FORLI, TOM ROLFE and SEEKING THE GOLD could be dangerous.

STORM BIRD was likely the worst of the worst, though. It took three tough Irish lads to handle him when he was brought from his stall.

In 1993 I was at Kerr Stock Farm in California when FOOLISH PLEASURE, then 21 years old, arrived. The next day I was chatting with the farm manager when the horse's groom appeared at the doorway, white as a ghost. Apparently he had turned his back on the horse as he was leaving his stall when he felt a burst of air approaching him from behind. He dived out the bottom of the stall door just before FOOLISH PLEASURE's open mouth could grab him.

When the manager heard this he told the boy, "go take care of him." I didn't know what this meant but when he returned in 10 minutes with a big grin on his face and a bullwhip in his hand I figured it out.

Beating on an old horse is the epitome of bad horsemanship and was likely the common treatment Foolish Pleasure received for many years prior to this final attack. I moved my horses at Kerr Stock Farm within a few weeks of watching this sad event.


That's sad to hear. Look at A Fleet's Dancer and the horrible saga of his life under poor horsemanship and then his tragic end :(
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Postby Patuxet » Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:14 am

Many years ago I was warned about Prove Out during a visit to Hobeau Farm.
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Postby oleos93 » Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:46 pm

And yet the JC STILL will not allow AI for TB's. It would be so much easier to collect these studs and put their goods on ice and geld the SOB's!!

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Postby Kelly Kip » Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:44 am

Patuxet wrote:Many years ago I was warned about Prove Out during a visit to Hobeau Farm.


Prove Out was a bit tough, but the ones you had to watch at Hobeau were Step Nicely and his sire, Watch Your Step.

Also at Hobeau, I couldn't get enough of Duck Dance. Such a doll!

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Postby kezeli » Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:07 am

So I guess no one rembers the book?? Oh well the info is still interesting!
Had a fleet nashrula mare long ago that was a real piece of work. Someone asked if this temperment issue could be mostly handling, I think not, temperment often is inharited in any species. But racehorses are not bred to be house pets.

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Postby summerhorse » Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:07 pm

Barcaldine wrote:*Noor was tough, but not mean or roguish.

However, other *Nasrullah sons like BOLD RULER, FLEET NASRULLAH, and NASHVILLE were diabolical and dangerous.

LITTLE CURRENT and his sire *SEA-BIRD had mean streaks in them.

I was told by Claiborne that DEVIL'S BAG was one of their nicest horses, while DAMASCUS, *FORLI, TOM ROLFE and SEEKING THE GOLD could be dangerous.

STORM BIRD was likely the worst of the worst, though. It took three tough Irish lads to handle him when he was brought from his stall.

In 1993 I was at Kerr Stock Farm in California when FOOLISH PLEASURE, then 21 years old, arrived. The next day I was chatting with the farm manager when the horse's groom appeared at the doorway, white as a ghost. Apparently he had turned his back on the horse as he was leaving his stall when he felt a burst of air approaching him from behind. He dived out the bottom of the stall door just before FOOLISH PLEASURE's open mouth could grab him.

When the manager heard this he told the boy, "go take care of him." I didn't know what this meant but when he returned in 10 minutes with a big grin on his face and a bullwhip in his hand I figured it out.

Beating on an old horse is the epitome of bad horsemanship and was likely the common treatment Foolish Pleasure received for many years prior to this final attack. I moved my horses at Kerr Stock Farm within a few weeks of watching this sad event.


And they wonder why they turn mean! I'm sure glad they sold him. I've had Come To Jesus meetings with my horses before but none of them involved a bull whip!! (or a beating for that matter esp. when that was basically groom error, turning his back on a new stallion with a rep!)
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