Bluegrass Cat
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This is one stallion I am waiting on. He has got to have one of the best pedigrees in racing today. Being inbred to Secretariat through his two best daughters, by the worlds hottest sire, plus he could get the classic distance, and also from the best families in the stud book!! He is going to be the next best thing to come around the bend. Well, maybe its my wishful thinking. If he was to retire now, we know he will end up at Winstar, but any guesses for how much?
Oh I think you'll have to pay big time for him whether he's worth it or not is another thing. I'm guessing $35,000 to $40,000 for him right now today based on what Consolidator is at. I think Bluegrass Cat may be a bit pea-hearted, but he did show some fight in the Belmont, so perhaps I'm being to tough on him. He's just not one I'm really impressed with. I admit I don't love Pletcher, so that could be part of my bias. I'm wait and see with Bluegrass Cat.
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He has 8 chefs and 8 reines in the first 4 generations. ALL the females in the first four generations on the dam's side (eight) are double copy mares. 5 of the 7 females on the sires side are double copies and the other 2 are single copies. He has 9 
consecutive double copy mares on the dam's side, going all the way back to La Troienne.
I went out to dinner in Midway on Belmont day and there were some Winstar folks there who were in a very festive mood. They also have his mother, She's a Winner, as well as his full brother, Sonoma Cat, a 2 yo old who we'll be seeing this fall.
A lot depends on the rest of the season, obviously, but I expect him to do well and I think a G1 win coupled with his 2 seconds in the TC races may earn him 3yo of the year.
Stud fee - around 50K.
consecutive double copy mares on the dam's side, going all the way back to La Troienne.
I went out to dinner in Midway on Belmont day and there were some Winstar folks there who were in a very festive mood. They also have his mother, She's a Winner, as well as his full brother, Sonoma Cat, a 2 yo old who we'll be seeing this fall.
A lot depends on the rest of the season, obviously, but I expect him to do well and I think a G1 win coupled with his 2 seconds in the TC races may earn him 3yo of the year.
Stud fee - around 50K.
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I know it sucks but Winstar does not have a storm cat stallion. If Bluegrass Cat wins a Grade 1, guess who will be the new WinStar storm cat stallion standing for 40k in 2007. He will get 75-100 paying mare owners, which translate into 3.5 to 4 million in income. He would have to win several Grade 1 races in 2007 to bring that amount of income.
Sorry but that is the way of the horse business right now.
Sorry but that is the way of the horse business right now.
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jagger wrote:A lot depends on the rest of the season, obviously, but I expect him to do well and I think a G1 win coupled with his 2 seconds in the TC races may earn him 3yo of the year.
Yeah he doesn't have a singled graded win this year but let's just start handing out Eclipse Awards like candy to whoever gets a G1 and two G1 placings and didn't run in the Preakness. No really I'll be the front end of the horse, Bobby Frankel can be the rear, I can pour the packets of M&Ms out of the opening in the horse's mouth, and we'll do the Halloween thing--it'll be fun.
Unless the G1 win is preceded in title by the words "Breeders Cup Classic" it won't hold up in all likelihood. Is BC even pointing to the Travers? Winning that puts you in the ballpark with his record as it stands but I bet he still wouldn't get it, esp. cuz the one time he faced Barbaro he got his rear end handed to him. I like the horse and his breeding's pretty fun to look at with all his double copying so I hope he does well. I'd like to see him run a bunch but it takes a pretty impressive G1 to top other horses this year so far who have more notches on their belt.
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Heidilady wrote:Unless the G1 win is preceded in title by the words "Breeders Cup Classic" it won't hold up in all likelihood.
Yeah that. Hell, I doubt a BC Classic win alone would be enough for Bluegrass Cat with his current record. Bare minimum, he'd need to score the Travers as well. He still must deal with Bernardini and Jazil. Either of them win a G1 (not necessarily against older horses) in the next 5 months and Bluegrass Cat is SOL.
What IS the fasination with this horse? I'm sorry, I just don't see it. Yeah, the ped is nice and all, but not something I'm drooling over and the horse himself fails every gut check thrown at him. At least so far. Reminds me an awful lot of Pulpit and I thought/think he's crap, too.
Heidilady wrote:cuz the one time he faced Barbaro he got his rear end handed to him.
That's working on the assumption that Barbaro is the 'leader of the pack' and the horse all others will be measured against for this year ... sorry, wrong. Won't happen. The voting mindset is already leaving Barbaro behind. His Derby win is NOT going to be enough to get him 3yo.
Actually, I think Bluegrass Cat is a nice, solid horse and he certainly has an excellent pedigree, but so far I haven't seen anything to indicate really top-drawer talent. He may win a G1 if the cards fall his way, but realistically he's more a G2-level horse up to this point. His Kentucky Derby performance was strong but I am less impressed with his Belmont second given the relatively weak quality of that field compared to the other two TC races.
Still, he should be an attractive stallion prospect -- he's consistent, was a good 2yo, and has proven he stays much better than most Storm Cats. So far, there's not been a peep about soundness issues, either. The hole in his armor that I see is that he seems to be more a grinder than a horse with a strong turn of foot, and that type of style often seems to underperform expectations at stud. The other issue will be whether he works well with inbreeding to Northern Dancer, Mr. P, or Slew, because relatively few of the mares of the quality WinStar will want to try to get for him are going to be free of those strains. In a sense, he's going to be a test case -- off the bat, can't think of another horse either recently at stud or likely to get there in the next year or two that combines all three of those lines, but more will be coming thanks to the dominance these lines have in the commercial market.
Still, he should be an attractive stallion prospect -- he's consistent, was a good 2yo, and has proven he stays much better than most Storm Cats. So far, there's not been a peep about soundness issues, either. The hole in his armor that I see is that he seems to be more a grinder than a horse with a strong turn of foot, and that type of style often seems to underperform expectations at stud. The other issue will be whether he works well with inbreeding to Northern Dancer, Mr. P, or Slew, because relatively few of the mares of the quality WinStar will want to try to get for him are going to be free of those strains. In a sense, he's going to be a test case -- off the bat, can't think of another horse either recently at stud or likely to get there in the next year or two that combines all three of those lines, but more will be coming thanks to the dominance these lines have in the commercial market.
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hi Mahubah...hi guys
Your comments re: Bluegrass Cat seem to be on target, as far as I'm concerned.
Based on what I've seen thus far, of Bluegrass Cat...I suggest it would be quite a stretch to describe him...right now...as a top-class racehorse worthy of a big stud fee.
Yes, Bluegrass Cat does have a big pedigree, and he is owned by Winstar (which is arguably a positive)...but I suggest they'd have to pull out the rolodex and give it a heck of a workout if, based on what he's done thus far, they stood BGCat for too much. What's too much? Even though Bluegrass Cat does little for me...I expect that Winstar could probably pull off a $20k stud fee (right now)...although $15k would probably attract an abundance of breeders without much use of the rolodex.
For what it's worth...let's not forget that Bluegrass Cat was soundly beaten in the Tampa Bay Derby by Deputy Glitters. DG is arguably a nice colt, but certainly NOT Top-class. In the Bluegrass Stakes, wasn't BGCat the favorite? And didn't he finish fourth, beaten 21 lengths? Ouch!!! Now that I'm thinking about it, wasn't BGCat's last victory in the listed Sam F Davis Stakes at Tampa Bay? Hmmm. Top-class? No way!
For now...I just don't see Bluegrass Cat as a TOP-class colt worthy of a Big stud fee.
Respectfully
Mahubah wrote:Actually, I think Bluegrass Cat is a nice, solid horse and he certainly has an excellent pedigree, but so far I haven't seen anything to indicate really top-drawer talent. He may win a G1 if the cards fall his way, but realistically he's more a G2-level horse up to this point. His Kentucky Derby performance was strong but I am less impressed with his Belmont second given the relatively weak quality of that field compared to the other two TC races.
Your comments re: Bluegrass Cat seem to be on target, as far as I'm concerned.
Based on what I've seen thus far, of Bluegrass Cat...I suggest it would be quite a stretch to describe him...right now...as a top-class racehorse worthy of a big stud fee.
Yes, Bluegrass Cat does have a big pedigree, and he is owned by Winstar (which is arguably a positive)...but I suggest they'd have to pull out the rolodex and give it a heck of a workout if, based on what he's done thus far, they stood BGCat for too much. What's too much? Even though Bluegrass Cat does little for me...I expect that Winstar could probably pull off a $20k stud fee (right now)...although $15k would probably attract an abundance of breeders without much use of the rolodex.
For what it's worth...let's not forget that Bluegrass Cat was soundly beaten in the Tampa Bay Derby by Deputy Glitters. DG is arguably a nice colt, but certainly NOT Top-class. In the Bluegrass Stakes, wasn't BGCat the favorite? And didn't he finish fourth, beaten 21 lengths? Ouch!!! Now that I'm thinking about it, wasn't BGCat's last victory in the listed Sam F Davis Stakes at Tampa Bay? Hmmm. Top-class? No way!
For now...I just don't see Bluegrass Cat as a TOP-class colt worthy of a Big stud fee.
Respectfully