BOLD RULER'S BOOK OF MARES

louis finochio · Postby **louis finochio** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:13 pm

The mares that Bold Ruler was bred to in 1960 his first crop, were mares that became BOY or Blue Hen mares.

The SSI of these mares were over the moon. A mare with an SSI of 7.61 is in the top 1% of the total mare population.

The mares with the highest SSI were:

Misty Morn / 68.66
Sheepsfoot / 53.45
Grey Flight / 18.43
Bayou / 16.72
High Voltage / 15.56
Imperatrice / 11.96
Narrative / 10.14
War Ribbon / 9.67

Bold Ruler's lifetime stallion AEI is 7.74, the highest AEI in the breed.

If Bold Ruler was bred to middle of the road mares, would that have been a negative for his AEI of 7.74 ?

Those Quality mares that BR was bred to put BR on top with a multitude of superior runners. Class in the dam is most desired when a breeder is trying to create a champion.

halo · Postby **halo** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:11 pm

According to the APR of 2006, those mares' SSI is as follows:

Misty Morn - 20.08

Sheepsfoot - 4.04

Grey Flight - 7.11

Bayou - 17.95

High Voltage - 30.37

Narrative - 0.00

War Ribbon - .69

louis finochio · Postby **louis finochio** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:28 pm

Halo I did my research from the 1982 APR, lets leave the stats where I posted them, as those forum members that were not around in 1982 will be impressed with the old stats.

Lets give credit to those foundation mares of the past, as they are few and far between today excluding Toussaud.

halo · Postby **halo** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:33 pm

Louis, those numbers are not the mare's SSI's, its their foal's SSI. The numbers I posted are the mare's SSI.

CA Michael · Postby **CA Michael** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:24 pm

To me, the raw scores of stallions (i.e. Bold Ruler's 7.74) don't really show how well they compare with others. It's only when used in conjunciton with the CI (Comparable Index) does a stallion's relative success become quantifiable.

For example, if a stallion's AEI=3.00 and his CI=1.00, he would be moving up his mares threefold and considered a great success. However, if his AEI=1.00 and his CI=3.00, he would be considered an abject failure for obvious reasons.

So, while I too consider Bold Ruler the greatest of all stallions in the 20th century (having grown up in the 60's when he reigned supreme), I cannot say I do so after an analysis of his AEI/CI versus the other greats. No doubt he was given the best of all opportunities at Claiborne, a luxury not afforded horses like Man o' War, Count Fleet, *Amerigo, *Noor, *Bull Dog, Halo, *Khaled, T. V. Lark, and even Native Dancer. Who's to say their numbers wouldn't look as good if they were mated to Bold Ruler's books of mares or their equivalent.

louis finochio · Postby **louis finochio** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:32 am

Bold Ruler was at the right place at the right time. Those Blue Hens and foundation mares that were bred to BR would elevate BR offspring to the top of the stallions AEI.

How many stallions have had the opportunity to be bred to that class of mares, very few, as those mares were solid gold.

Long live the legend of BR, as champions are born of outcrossing.

halo · Postby **halo** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:00 am

Louis, the SSI doesnt change with time. The SSI for Bold Rulers foals are the same in 1984 as in 2006.

halo · Postby **halo** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:01 am

louis finochio · Postby **louis finochio** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:18 am

Those mares that I posted produced those SW when bred to BR, and those figures belong to those mares and their offspring.

Thats why those SSI numbers are a golden tool to breeders on sale day.

ragsdaj1 · Postby **ragsdaj1** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:37 am

louis finochio wrote:Long live the legend of BR, as champions are born of outcrossing.

every third generation ancestor is linebred, all 8 of them. Nogara has one pair; Sweep Out, Pompey, Ariadne have two pair; Display, Mumtaz, Pharos have three pair, Blenheim has 4 pair.

The end result he has 13 ancestors with 10 or more crosses. This Legend was the direct result of linebreeding. I dont know that it is even possible to achieve the same type of linebreeding that Bold Ruler has today.

I would be interested if anyone has an example of 90s + model with this type of linebreeding.

JonR

louis finochio · Postby **louis finochio** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:51 am

Rags : I was refering to the Phalaris thru Nasrulah over Fair Play thru Discovery cross that produced BR.

That outcross is where champion are born.

When you line-breed to one sire line and you line-bred to another sire line that are not related, it is still an outcross mating.

These matings have produced a surplus of superior runners.

ragsdaj1 · Postby **ragsdaj1** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:45 am

i can see the distinction you are making.

jonr

sparta · Postby **sparta** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:50 am

Louis, do you have a list of every mare in BR's first book?

TIA

louis finochio · Postby **louis finochio** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:32 pm

Sparta: I have the names of BR winners and SW mares, I had a list of all the mares BR was bred to for each foal crop from the JC.

If you would like to know some names post it and I will reply. With love Louis.