Pilsudski (IRE)

[Bogataj]

Hi there,

I would like to know if any of you knows how Pilsudski did his job as a Sire? Born in 1992, he was still running in 1997 and then he retired to stud. Only a few of "his" horses are registred in the database. And then (in 2004) he returns to Ireland and his fee is only 4.000 EUR! A bit strange, isn't it? Nice pedigree, outstanding racing performance and with all that he was sold from Japan to Ireland...

Any comments or thoughts?

Regards,

Borut

[louis finochio]

With small foal crops, I would think Pulsudski has fertility problems.

I would not breed mares to P that have 8-10 crosses of Phalaris, as P has 9 crosses of Phalaris himself.

I would say the Japanese couldnt improve P fertility problems and sold him to Ireland.

[henthorn]

I don't know how many offspring he really has had, since this database would not have many listed, as he was a stallion in Japan. I suspect he put out slow-developing turf horses that didn't sell well at auction, and he may have had fertility or health issues as well. Apparently he made no splash as a racehorse sire for various reasons. Thus the transfer back to Ireland for home duty.

[Melhor_Ainda]

If I had a nice long distance turfy mare, I wouldn't mind trying him. It's a shame he hasn't panned out as a sire.

[teb]

His stud fee is so low because he is mainly standing to National Hunt mares. The farm I live on has had two Pilsudski foals, one last year, one this year. They are/were the only 2 crooked foals she had. It is safe to say I would never use him, but I'm not breeding NH foals anyway.
Terri

[teb]

Oh forgot to say, if you are breeding an nice long distance turfy mare over here, your breeding a national hunt horse. The Europeans are obsessed more with speed than the Americans. Most Sadler's Wells end up as NH stallions, most of the Derby winners go by the wayside. Nobody wants a Golan or a Kris Kin. And now they are talking about how the NH horses don't have enough speed. I sent a Fourstarsallstars mare to Vinnie Roe for a NH foal and everyone said to me, geez that won't have much speed. I'm like, how much speed does one need to have for a 3 mile chase. Anyway, it's a client's mare and he couldn't be happier with a Vinnie Roe baby on the way.

[Bogataj]

Hmmm.... Louis, you HAVE to be right

Phalaris here, Phalaris there, Phalaris everywhere...



And after 50 years (or more) we could go:

ND here, ND here, ND everywhere...

(at least in Europe - you USA breeders are happy to have MR.P and other non-ND lines (thanks, Germans, for your "native" lines!))

[parlo]

Although I'm a fan of Mamool (close? inbreeding to ND) - I'd like there would be more ("native German" lines)!

Monsun's group-winning children are almost all out of mares sired from ND's male line and look at the breeding- and racing-politics in Germany: more 2yo-races (good for auction-business) and sprint-races, elimination of distance-races or reduction of distances in major races.

Very good successes in recent years were important sires

Big Shuffle - a sprinter and sire of sprinters, although many of them show very good performances even in the age of 4+ - and

Dashing Blade, who seems to transmit less stamina that he possessed himself and is a consistant sire of milers/intermediates.

In German racing-history Derby-winners always played a major role as sires, but now their success at stud has diminished, Lando, Laroche and Belenus went abroad. For them there are imports like Mamool and Black Sam Bellamy: stayers out of the ND-line with good success in distance-races during several years of their racing career.

So again the US are only some years ahead of us - but we are eager to "close the gap".