Indy Pacific

tammysinnett · Postby **tammysinnett** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:13 am

HOw does everyone feel about this stallion???We are looking for a stallion for Illinois that may be affordable for everyone but yet bring some new competition to the tracks.....I see he wasnt raced?? that would be a great disadvantage :shock:

magic code · Postby **magic code** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:41 pm

I believe he was purchased at Keeneland as a stallion prospect for $12,000. So don't go higher than that. :wink:

tammysinnett · Postby **tammysinnett** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:37 pm

contacted them to find out the price on this stallion way out of range 30,000.00 ---oh boy :oops:

Ryeno · Postby **Ryeno** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:47 pm

Hi Tammy,

I know where their may be a couple od stallions available if you are interested.......contact me via PM and i may be able to help.

Ryeno

Cree · Postby **Cree** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:56 pm

I am sorry, but what are the current owners thinking. The horse is unraced (for whatever reason). Yes, he's nicely bred (it seems the females from the family do the running), but there are PLENTY of Seattle Slew and AP Indy sons/grandsons with race records, even sire records, out there.
They bought the horse for $12,000, he barely covered any mares in Oregon, and he has somehow increased in value? Am I missing something?

suzyd · Postby **suzyd** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:50 am

He is now consigned to Barrett's Mixed sale

madelyn · Postby **madelyn** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:17 am

That is ridiculous. I had a son of Seattle Slew awhile back, unraced, we sold him for $2500.

stcath95 · Postby **stcath95** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:21 pm

Hi Madelyn, it's your neighbor down the road in J-Town..(Kenny).......The first stallion I got turned on to was Indy Pacific ( 2 yrs ago)...Oregon is a long way away too!!...he was just too far away for breeding...I ask then why he never raced but did not get an answer. ...I like him and believe someone will pick him up for breeding.../ it seems some original owners mostly choose not to race because they don't want to take a chance of getting the stallion hurt...and go for breedng on the fathers name ?...maybe they get the horse and then cannot afford to race ??... ....

Have a good day to all!!

summerhorse · Postby **summerhorse** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:12 am

Will be interesting to see what he brings at the sale. It won't be $30,000 so wonder how determined they are to sell him? Might be worth being there that day if interested just in case they have decided to let him go for market value. He's nice but not $30,000 worth of nice.

madelyn · Postby **madelyn** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:28 am

stcath95 wrote:Hi Madelyn, it's your neighbor down the road in J-Town..(Kenny).......The first stallion I got turned on to was Indy Pacific ( 2 yrs ago)...Oregon is a long way away too!!...he was just too far away for breeding...I ask then why he never raced but did not get an answer. ...I like him and believe someone will pick him up for breeding.../ it seems some original owners mostly choose not to race because they don't want to take a chance of getting the stallion hurt...and go for breedng on the fathers name ?...maybe they get the horse and then cannot afford to race ??... .... Have a good day to all!!

Anyone who tells you they chose not to race the horse for fear of getting the horse hurt... well don't buy a used car from that guy. And you have sort of answered your own question... if you asked why he was unraced and they avoided the question, well the news couldn't be good. A lot of AP Indy's are very crooked (and some of them are also very fast) but there is a good chance that Indy Pacific was a traffic accident waiting to happen on the track so they quit training him. There is an enormous difference between a stallion who can race (and did, and was good at it) and one who can't. Many, many breeders simply won't even touch an unraced, or lightly raced stallion. Pedigree doesn't run the race, the animal in front of you does. Pedigree is only as good as the horse it represents. Give me a blue collar stallion (30+ starts, $100K+ earnings, but no blacktype) anyday over an unraced one.

Cree · Postby **Cree** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:02 am

Indy Pacific sold for $8,000 to Nick Martino. Anyone know if that was a buy back? He certainly didn't get anywhere near the $30,000 quoted for him. Anyone look at him at the sale?

StealingKat · Postby **StealingKat** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:31 pm

I agree with Madelyn on this one

give me a stallion that has started and earned consistantly. I see todays blacktype as a mere distraction, often these stakes winners have only one or two races under there belts. "Stakes" to me on a pedigree just reads as " the owners had more money than the rest of us and could afford the entry fee" Stakes horses are not necessarily better animals. Now with that said I need to insert a foot into my mouth as I am toying with sending something to Dr. Litin this year... I have liked him since his arrival. We shall see if that decision comes back to bite me in the bum

KBEquine · Postby **KBEquine** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:24 pm

Boy, Madelyn & StealingKat, I totally agree.

We've got 2 stallions -- one's got 49 starts & is a G3 winner & was still getting a piece of stakes races at seven & racing a couple years after that.

The other isn't blacktype at all -- but had a whopping 135 starts & earned his $100k the hard way, at a bunch of different tracks & with numerous trainers. Talk about desire & heart & a good work ethic. He's also sound, sane & ridable, which for me is a plus in keeping a stallion on an even keel.

In fact, we like him so much that we tracked down his half sister [133 starts, more than $150k in earnings, also not blacktype, but a blacktype producer] & bought her. Ironically, her 2 blacktype fillies were by a stallion bred similarly to our G3 winner, so we're pretty happy to have her.

Of course, I've also been reminded by folks who make an incredibly good living at this & know more than I do that I should breed-to-race because the family is just not commercial.

It is truly a difference of opinion that makes a horse race.

Ryeno · Postby **Ryeno** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:13 pm

StealingKat wrote:I agree with Madelyn on this one give me a stallion that has started and earned consistantly. I see todays blacktype as a mere distraction, often these stakes winners have only one or two races under there belts. "Stakes" to me on a pedigree just reads as " the owners had more money than the rest of us and could afford the entry fee" Stakes horses are not necessarily better animals. Now with that said I need to insert a foot into my mouth as I am toying with sending something to Dr. Litin this year... I have liked him since his arrival. We shall see if that decision comes back to bite me in the bum

Huh?
Stakes races are FOR better type horse.......if people dont have enough money to enter in stake races they should not own horses.

Ryeno

StealingKat · Postby **StealingKat** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:12 pm

Gotta respectfully agree to disagree with ya on this one. Cuz I disagree about 100% on your last comment.

I think most trainers make their money on the common mans horse, the bread and butter horse. The Claimer. I want to breed animals that can race a trillion times and come home sound. Not interested in the two year old stakes horse who wins once and then is retired to stud cuz he in now pinned together after his first start. I'm sort of surprised by your "unless a guy can afford the stakes races he shouldnt be racing". :shock:

your a trainer! It's the common man paying the bills in most of the barns at Hastings. Yes, we do have some big names at the track with lots of money but they are the exception not the rule.

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