Candy Stripes
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Candy Stripes
Does anyone know where he is now? How much does a stallion have to do to get some recognition and decent mares?
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kimberley mine
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CA Michael
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Taylor Made Farm repatriated Kentucky bred Candy Stripes from the Argentine in the 90's. After a handful of seasons there, he was shuffled off to Florida, where he stood another season or two, then resold to Argentina.
For the life of me I cannot understand why he only sires good horses when south of the equator!!! Although he served large books of quality mares in the U.S., very few even decent horses resulted. Down under, boom! Terriffic strike rate. Go figure.
For the life of me I cannot understand why he only sires good horses when south of the equator!!! Although he served large books of quality mares in the U.S., very few even decent horses resulted. Down under, boom! Terriffic strike rate. Go figure.
I'd like to know more about the "quality" mares. If South American breeders can do it, why can't the "quality" mares here do it? I would wonder if they were truly genuine quality U.S. mares. What good race mares or good producers were they, or just a phrase some manager used?
I looked Candy Stripes up under this site's progeny report (not always perfect!) and did not see a stellar group of American mares or broodmare sires!!!! I think perhaps he got a lot of the rejects and leftovers here. People just figured if he could come up with excellent race horses from the South American mares, they could breed their junk to him and get a champion. However, I would suspect the South American breeders selected some good racemares or good producers to send to him and he improved on those mares dramatically. Hard to improve substantially on mares that perhaps couldn't run or couldn't produce in the first place.
I looked Candy Stripes up under this site's progeny report (not always perfect!) and did not see a stellar group of American mares or broodmare sires!!!! I think perhaps he got a lot of the rejects and leftovers here. People just figured if he could come up with excellent race horses from the South American mares, they could breed their junk to him and get a champion. However, I would suspect the South American breeders selected some good racemares or good producers to send to him and he improved on those mares dramatically. Hard to improve substantially on mares that perhaps couldn't run or couldn't produce in the first place.
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kimberley mine
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CA Michael I have 3 possible reasons:
1. He sires a distance horse. The US racing market, aside from the very top stakes level, is focused on sprints. Aside from Leroidesanimaux (who got a ton of speed from his damline), his best runners have all been 9f+ horses. His brilliant South African racemare Ihla da Vittoria defeated males at 10f, he has a Canadian champion filly who loved 12f on the turf, and now we have Invasor who loves to run all day. That's not generally enough to banish a horse from the US, but then...
2. According to his statistical summary, he has an AEI/CI of something like 1.61/1.48. That suggests to me that in the US he received good mares, while in Argentina he receives EXCEPTIONAL mares. That alone could account for it. From the mighty Empiric family he has three Argentine-bred Gr-1 winners, one more who is a Uruguayan Gr-1 winner, and a South African champion. Empiric is the La Troienne of South American breeding, and it speaks volumes about the quality of mares he serves down south. Finally...
3. Nasrullah and Hyperion. Aside from Blushing Groom via Runaway Groom and Bold Ruler via Seattle Slew, Nasrullah tail-male lines are rare in the US. Hyperion is for all intents and purposes extinct in tail-male in the US. Of his highest earners, most have Hyperion, tail-male Nasrullah, or both within 5 generations:
Invasor: Nasrullah (Good Manners) and Hyperion (Atlas)
Leroidesanimaux: Hyperion (High Line) in 3rd gen
Lundy's Liability: Hyperion (Forli)
Ihla da Vitoria: Hyperion (Aristophanes)
Different: Hyperion (Aristophanes)
Victory Stripes: Nasrullah (Grey Soverign, Outing Class, Bold Bidder)
Criollito: Hyperion (Summer Tan)
Cursora: Nasrullah (Good Manners)
If you include the Empiric-line horses to that list, which I did not on the assumption that the female line was so strong as to trump everything else, add 2 or 3 more to that list, including South African champion Eventuail (Nasrullah) and one more Argentine Gr-1 winner (3/4 siblings).
So that is why I think his Argentine-breds run away with big prize after big prize, while his north american-breds can't outrun their shadow on a moonless night.
1. He sires a distance horse. The US racing market, aside from the very top stakes level, is focused on sprints. Aside from Leroidesanimaux (who got a ton of speed from his damline), his best runners have all been 9f+ horses. His brilliant South African racemare Ihla da Vittoria defeated males at 10f, he has a Canadian champion filly who loved 12f on the turf, and now we have Invasor who loves to run all day. That's not generally enough to banish a horse from the US, but then...
2. According to his statistical summary, he has an AEI/CI of something like 1.61/1.48. That suggests to me that in the US he received good mares, while in Argentina he receives EXCEPTIONAL mares. That alone could account for it. From the mighty Empiric family he has three Argentine-bred Gr-1 winners, one more who is a Uruguayan Gr-1 winner, and a South African champion. Empiric is the La Troienne of South American breeding, and it speaks volumes about the quality of mares he serves down south. Finally...
3. Nasrullah and Hyperion. Aside from Blushing Groom via Runaway Groom and Bold Ruler via Seattle Slew, Nasrullah tail-male lines are rare in the US. Hyperion is for all intents and purposes extinct in tail-male in the US. Of his highest earners, most have Hyperion, tail-male Nasrullah, or both within 5 generations:
Invasor: Nasrullah (Good Manners) and Hyperion (Atlas)
Leroidesanimaux: Hyperion (High Line) in 3rd gen
Lundy's Liability: Hyperion (Forli)
Ihla da Vitoria: Hyperion (Aristophanes)
Different: Hyperion (Aristophanes)
Victory Stripes: Nasrullah (Grey Soverign, Outing Class, Bold Bidder)
Criollito: Hyperion (Summer Tan)
Cursora: Nasrullah (Good Manners)
If you include the Empiric-line horses to that list, which I did not on the assumption that the female line was so strong as to trump everything else, add 2 or 3 more to that list, including South African champion Eventuail (Nasrullah) and one more Argentine Gr-1 winner (3/4 siblings).
So that is why I think his Argentine-breds run away with big prize after big prize, while his north american-breds can't outrun their shadow on a moonless night.
I did a pretty exhaustive search the day after BC using google, etc, and the last evidence I found Candy Stripes was as Stoneriggs Farm in Florida since 1997 and standing for a private fee in 2002.
One site seemed to indicate that CS had been sent back to Argentina, possibly after his Florida stint, but no details about exactly where he physically stood or for how much over there.
http://www.santaescolastica.com/shuttling.htm
http://www.ozhorse.com.au/studs1/sp/sp073230.html
I figured he would turn up in short order. Has he been located exactly, for sure, since the BC? Has he been standing publicly somewhere in the past year or two or now?
One site seemed to indicate that CS had been sent back to Argentina, possibly after his Florida stint, but no details about exactly where he physically stood or for how much over there.
http://www.santaescolastica.com/shuttling.htm
http://www.ozhorse.com.au/studs1/sp/sp073230.html
I figured he would turn up in short order. Has he been located exactly, for sure, since the BC? Has he been standing publicly somewhere in the past year or two or now?