Pedigree Query

He has been retired and is going to Three Chimneys. Does this racing year hurt him getting mares? He's going to stud with a pretty unsuccessful year behind him.
Now I see why they like to retire them at the top of their game.

hi cree

Do not fear. Flower Alley is retiring to stud at a farm whose track record is abysmal when it comes to starting stallions at stud (although I do like Sky Mesa's chances)

Some examples of stallions that started at Three Chimneys include: Joyeux Danseur (gone but not forgotten)...Atticus (OUCH)...Silver Charm (gone but not forgotten)...War Chant (started at $75k now reduced, again, to $30k for 2007)...Point Given (started at $100k now $30k for 2007)...Albert the Great (forget about it).

Whatta ya think?

If Flower Alley follows suit...he will be overpriced, then discounted, then stumble and/or flub etc etc etc.

Three Chimneys' successful stallions that started elsewhere...include Dynaformer, Seattle Slew and Rahy.

Respectfully

FOS wrote:hi cree

Do not fear. Flower Alley is retiring to stud at a farm whose track record is abysmal when it comes to starting stallions at stud (although I do like Sky Mesa's chances)

Some examples of stallions that started at Three Chimneys include: Joyeux Danseur (gone but not forgotten)...Atticus (OUCH)...Silver Charm (gone but not forgotten)...War Chant (started at $75k now reduced, again, to $30k for 2007)...Point Given (started at $100k now $30k for 2007)...Albert the Great (forget about it).

Whatta ya think?

If Flower Alley follows suit...he will be overpriced, then discounted, then stumble and/or flub etc etc etc.

Three Chimneys' successful stallions that started elsewhere...include Dynaformer, Seattle Slew and Rahy.

Respectfully

Given their track record I'm curious what that indicates about fault. Who do you pin the actual decisions on as far as who made the bad ones? Who actually sits down and pins down what the stud fee ought to be (not just who signs any papers but who actually does the dirty work)? Is it marketing of the stallion that's the problem or what they give them to try to market e.g. stud fees or pedigrees/race records/etc to try to market...?

Would you rather send a stallion to Claiborne? Who does the best job starting new stallions and why?

$25,000 for Flower Alley-that's just crazy. His dad did not stand for 1/2 that when he went to stud. Any predictions on how many mares he gets?

I predict no shortage of mares for him at this price for his first season followed by a reduction in his fee for a second season.

Fantastic stud fees for freshmen stallions seem to be readily accepted by the market and even his bad 4 year-old season won't keep the mares away for his first season or even his sophmore year at a reduced fee. But barring some sort of great Distorted Humor acheivement with another horse or offspring that look so phenomenal that they glow in the dark, I think Flower Ally better make sure that his passport is order.

He can readily collect this big fee now but the same folks sending him mares at this price are proven to be pretty fickle and some other stallion will get them next year and the next. I don't see him being given enough time for his his get to make it to the racetrack for lack of interest and fear of failure--I think it is likely that his connections will sell or send him off in fear of losing everything of his foals don't race well.

In short I think that Flower Alley is most likely to be of the first of this year's incoming class to be voted off the island.

hello Heidilady

Heidilady wrote: Given their track record I'm curious what that indicates about fault. Who do you pin the actual decisions on as far as who made the bad ones?

Be assured...it starts at the top.

Heidilady wrote:Who actually sits down and pins down what the stud fee ought to be (not just who signs any papers but who actually does the dirty work)?

I would expect that before a final decision is made, the boss, owner, president...CEO (whoever is the top-dog) will discuss with trusted assistants and associates, ideas, thoughts and ramifications etc related to stud fees. Ultimately though...I would expect that the final call will almost always be made where the buck stops, at the top.

I use the word almost because there might be an occasional exception (and/or deference).

Respectfully

I've got this funny feeling that he'll end up in Japan. Do they have odds on this in Vegas? Remember they don't have to be flops per se, just not Storm Cat, to merit a trip 'cross the Pacific pond for the right price. I just wonder. It's mainly gut feeling here.

hi freshman

freshman wrote:...barring some sort of great Distorted Humor acheivement with another horse or offspring that look so phenomenal that they glow in the dark, I think Flower Ally better make sure that his passport is order....

In short I think that Flower Alley is most likely to be of the first of this year's incoming class to be voted off the island.

I don't know if he'll be voted off the island...but, I don't expect he'll glow in the dark either.

Best to you.

Respectfully

I don't think Three Chimney's will be too discerning regarding mares for Flower Alley as I know of one that will be going to her which will be Mr. P 4 x 4 x 4 (and of course, the implied RAN 5 x 5 x 5) and Northern Dancer 5 x 6 x 5. Does this look a little familiar to anyone?

PI......only worse.