Pedigree Query

Who has good potential? Who are the best and worst values?

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/stalli ... A&sf8=west

Stallion Sire Farm Location Fee Entered Stud
Basket Weave Best Turn Little King Ranch WA Private 1988
Beefchopper Farma Way Lucky Acres Farm WA $700 1998
Blue Moonofalaska Gold Crest Royal Meadows Farm WA $500 1994
Bombardier Deputy Minister Stogie Stables WA $1,000 1999
Broadway's Top Gun Full Pocket Pulse Ranches WA $500 1993
Cahill Road Fappiano El Dorado Farms WA $4,000 1992
Compelling Sound Seattle Slew Popular Gate Farms WA Private 1994
Consigliere (GB) Caerleon Allaire Farms WA $1,000 1994
Courageous King Elusive Quality Lucky Acres Farm WA Private 2007
Coz Jade Hunter Seawind Stables WA Private 2000
Dave's Reality In Reality Popular Gate Farms WA Private 1988
Defensive Play Fappiano Woodstead Farm WA $2,500 1993
Delineator Storm Cat Woodstead Farm WA $2,000 1995
Demon Warlock Demons Begone Allaire Farms WA $1,500 2007
Dixieland Glo Dixieland Band Gibson Thoroughbred Farm WA $1,000 2001
Exit to Rio Mining Thorolee Painted Farm WA $1,000 –
Flying With Eagles Skywalker El Dorado Farms WA $1,000 2000
Free At Last Wild Again El Dorado Farms WA $2,000 1994
Gumboy Gummo Guy-Bar Farm WA Private 1985
Hampton Bay Deputy Minister H. R. Gibson Ranch WA Private 2003
Heavenly Search Seeking the Gold Hook Stables Inc. WA $1,500 –
He's Tops Seattle Slew Woodstead Farm WA $3,000 1998
Ihtimam Mr. Prospector Guy-Bar Farm WA $1,000 1998
Jazzing Around Stop the Music Woodstead Farm WA $1,250 1989
Kasparov Mr. Prospector Gibson Thoroughbred Farm WA $1,500 2005
Katowice Danzig Woodstead Farm WA $2,500 1991
Kentucky Lucky Seattle Slew Lucky Acres Farm WA $1,500 2003
Liberty Gold Crafty Prospector El Dorado Farms WA $2,500 2002
Line Dance Pass the Line Lucky Acres Farm WA – 1999
L. J. Express Basket Weave Longmeadow Junction Farm WA Private 1998
Makors Mark Son of Briartic Leckbee Thoroughbred Farm WA $1,500 2004
Matricule A.P. Indy Allaire Farms WA $1,500 2001
Matty G Capote El Dorado Farms WA $4,500 1998
Milan Taizen Desert Secret (Ire) Moon Mountain Ranch WA $1,000 2004
My Grand Indy A.P. Indy Roche Farm WA $1,500 2000
Nacheezmo Carson City Munger Farm WA $1,000 2006
Naskra's Ferrari Carr de Naskra Moon Mountain Ranch WA $1,000 2001
Outing Danzig Gibson Thoroughbred Farm WA $1,000 2004
Petersburg Danzig Guy-Bar Farm WA $2,000 1991
Polish Gift Danzig Allaire Farms WA $1,000 2004
Private Gold Seeking the Gold El Dorado Farms WA $2,000 2005
Raisor's Edge Seeking the Gold Leckbee Thoroughbred Farm WA $1,250 2002
Rojo Warrior Kris S. Barbara Armstrong WA $500 2002
Russellthemussell American Standard Seawind Stables WA Private 1999
Smart Sound Smarten Homeport Farm WA $750 1999
Southern Sign Sunny North Munger Farm WA $500 1995
Stolen Gold Conquistador Cielo Pulse Ranches WA $1,000 1999
Sum Trick Favorite Trick St. Hilaire Thoroughbred Farm WA Private –
Tahoe City Fast Play Crystal Ridge Farm WA $750 1998
Tamourad Blushing Groom (Fr) Fred A. Leskinen WA Private 1989
The Baker Boys Summer Squall PD Farm WA – 2003
Top Account Private Account Little King Ranch WA Private 1998
Treasured Gift Private Terms Stogie Stables WA $1,000 2006
Tribunal Deputy Minister El Dorado Farms WA $4,500 2003
Tristaino Pine Bluff Gibson Thoroughbred Farm WA $700 2003
Tropic Lightning Ogygian Granite Falls Thoroughbred Farm WA $1,500 2001
Vitesse Kingmambo Lucky Acres Farm WA $1,500 2004
Waiting Game Carson City Gibson Thoroughbred Farm WA $1,000 2005
You and I Kris S. Woodstead Farm WA $5,000 1996

Cahill Road is a full brother of Unbridled and a son of the great Fappiano. He had 2 GS placers last year from a mediocre, at best, book.

Depends on who the mare is also.
Matings are a 50/50 match.
Matty G was a looker at the Open house a while back.

I love Cahill Road's offspring. The few that I have worked with have been big, rangy, good looking horses. Good minds, maybe a bit slower to develop. One of them is just a beautiful horse with great bone...except for his dinosaur head. I think they need distance. And mud!

Tribunal gets precocious Quarter Horse types. They have big hips and are small and quick. Problem with him is soundness, the few I have been around had problems here and there.

Delineator can get a good one. He has the quick Fast Parade, the tough Halonator and one time G1SW Tali'sluckybusride.

I have always liked Free At Last, they seem to be pretty useful and sound. He's the sire of Angies Kin, Bamboo Gold, Grey Tobe Free, I'm Free, and King Jeremy.

An aquaintance has a giant He's Tops yearling, but I don't know a lot about him.

Katowice is evil, and gets quick, racey, but light-boned horses. The few I have been around had nasty temperments, but were quite pretty.

Private Gold was a nice racehorse, just a cut below the top. He has a nice female family and I think he looks like Petionville.

I think Matty G and You and I are wonderful additions up here in the Northwest.

I also like Matty G. Note that his AEI is about 20% higher than the CI for the mares bred to him. I wish he'd come back to California. I was surprised when they kicked him out of KY so fast.

Depends what you are breeding for really.

Matty G is a tremendous value as he really improves his mares.

Defensive Play is one of my favorites. I have rarely seen such a magnificent stallion. He is a beauty.

Cahill Road you cant go wrong with either.

Nacheezmo is my pick. He is a Carson City son out of a Deputy Minister
daughter from a solid family. Nacheezmo ran a "just missed" second to Strong Hope in G II Dwyer, and defeated Sky Mesa.
He is a nicely muscled stallion, with a wonderful temperment.
I actually was so elated that he had made it to WA state that I bred four
mares to him. I have daughters of Cee's Tizzy, Groovy, Silver Ghost and Phone Trick all "baking" baby Nacheezmo's.
I might add that The Mungers are just great to work with. The billing is easy and correct. They use the best Enumclaw vets, and all of my mares were in foal on the first cover. (He is a very fertile guy too !)

Demon Warlock is interesting as he is tail-male to Gallant Man, a sireline which is almost extinct. Many people thought highly of his sire, Demons Begone, so there will be curiosity as to whether Demon Warlock can deliver - it's to be hoped he'll get a decent book in his first season at stud in 2007. However, as has been noted, it's difficult in this market for any stallion to get a really good book of mares, as shipping costs to the area can be prohibitive for the small scale breeder.

Thank you for sharing some interesting thoughts.

Here's the 2007 Washington Thoroughbred stallion register - http://www.washingtonthoroughbred.com/m ... ByFarm.htm

Just off this I was interested in Nacheezmo. So he must be correct then?

How many other sons of Demons Begone are at stud? Interesting that it might be up to Demon Warlock to carry the banner for that line.

Stallionregister.com reports that he's the only son of DB standing at stud.

I'm not sure, but Demon Warlock may be the only representative of the Gallant Man sireline currently at stud. It's hard to pin these rare sirelines down.

Wow. That's something.

Add Trail City to the list. Not sure why a stallion bred for turf and who did all his winning on turf would come to the NW, but he is.

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/todays ... 8&subsec=6

WAracefan,
That is an interesting point and one we thought about as well when we aquired Trail City. If you dive into the numbers though out of his 1.4 million in Progeny earnings about 1.2 of that is on the dirt. Aren't all foals born and raised on the grass then trained for the dirt? I hope we can get by the grass worries and look at how well bred he is. Plus again look at the numbers they run well on the dirt. More than likely what you will get is something that is versatile and can run on anything. He is also free of Northern Dancer and Mr. Prospector that will be nice for the northwest breeders.

Thanks for the post and I look foward to hearing what you all have to say.

As for value we still think our other boy Polish Gift is a great value as well. We should know in the next couple of weeks what Trail City will stand for.

I too like Polish Gift. I messed up when #30 yearling filly went thru the WTBA sale and only fetched $700. I had her marked in the book as a looker and wasn't paying attention. His other colt #61 brought a good price at $10,000.

Hello Rez,
I might have a few Polish Gift's available if you are interested? Email me if you are interested.

Trail City will be at the farm on Thursday it was confirmed to me today.