Herbager

[Toccet02]

I'd like to know what folks here think of his influence on the modern day T Bred.
The conformation pic on this site just knocks my socks off.
I don't know if that's too blocky and "set" a look or what, but I love that pic.
Thanks

[hpkingjr]

Lava Man is 5x5 sex balanced on the dam side. Wonder if his success has anything to do with the Herbager? 8 of 9 graded stakes winners with Herbager 5x5 of closer are sex balanced. The other was through two daughters. He seems to love Seattle Slew, TV Lark and Hail To Reason.

[jagger]

Very good research, Pat. And, when do you have time to do it? Leslie needs to find something else for you to do

[CA Michael]

NOSTALGIA'S STAR, G1 SW of $2.1 million in the 80's, was an obscurely bred Cal bred and was 3 x 3 *Herbager. He won stakes from 2 to 6. *Herbager's dam was inbred 2 x 2 Firdaussi (Pharos).

I remember when Bull Hancock imported *Herbager from France in the mid-60's. Photos of the horse were not complimentary. He looked course and squatty. When I saw him in person 10 years later my impressions were confirmed. Yet, *Herbager became an American scion for stamina, class and durability. His overachieving son *Grey Dawn II sired the fabulous VIGORS and many other SW's; his daughters were excellent producers. None of these horses were attractive either.

[Toccet02]

Coarse and squat?
The pic on this site is certainly very balanced, I can see the "squat" if I "squint"
But wow...I guess it's just the clean lines that appeal.
I love Toccet and he shows up in that ped too.

[ratherrapid]

i had a filly--windy lea--lulu lea--herbager. 16'1.5. extremely atheltic. fast.
classic stride. wind problem though.

[ratherrapid]

whoops. her name was windy lea. wind an wuthering-lulu lea-herbager