PURE PRIZE- Getting Hotter

[tbrace]

Pure Prize is coming on like gang busters. He had the nice grade III winner, and has a bunch of other stakes winners. Have they raised his fee?

[reese]

Pure Prize is coming on like gang busters. He had the nice grade III winner, and has a bunch of other stakes winners. Have they raised his fee?

I was a big fan of PP. He was a nice looking horse, and a good racer. He has a respectable race record (G11 winner) And his 12.5k stud fee is a "bargain" vis a vis other new sires.

Maybe compared to the rest of his illustrious family, PP may be perceived as an underachiever, but he has those champion genes throughout his pedigree. No reason he won't be a very good sire if he gets books of nice mares.

[Foggytrip]

We have one into PP whos pretty nice

[sunday_silence]

He is sooooo crooked in front. One of his fores toes in so much I wonder how he ran like that and kept from injuring himself. I hope he isn't passing it on.

[henthorn]

Apparently his tendency to pass the intoeing to the next generation is less than one would expect. Most I've heard from said they were mostly pretty correct, despite the expectation of lots of crookedness. His full brother Good Reward at Three Chimneys is by far the better conformationally, and about the same price. I liked him a lot.

[sunday_silence]

I think considering the fees, looks and identical pedigrees, I'd try Good Reward. But I'm glad to hear PP isn't passing on his crookedness much.

[Ill-bred]

I noticed that Pure Prize is a chestnut in a family of bays.

[larrygene]

When you get a chesnut and the sire and dam are bay, I believe Tesio called that a "color hybrid". After reading that I began paying attention to the color of horses and the color of the sire and dam. It appears that a color hybrid will be either a very good racehorse or quite common. Two exceptional racehorses that were color hybids were Secretariat and Sunny's Halo. Both were superior runners but were not superior sires, even though I think Secretariat was a very good sire. It's just like breeding cattle, a black-white faced calf is very desireable for the feedlot because of hybrid vigor but you do not want one for a herd bull. The same with horses, if you look at the foals by Secretariat, they are every shape, size and color. There is no consistency of conformation or color unlike Northern Dancer or Seattle Slew.

Just some thoughts to think on.

Larrygene

[Ill-bred]

Very interesting....

Maybe Pure Prize will be a reverse color hybrid, capable of passing on an unexpected amount of great running ability!

[reese]

I think considering the fees, looks and identical pedigrees, I'd try Good Reward. But I'm glad to hear PP isn't passing on his crookedness much.

Most know GR was a better race horse than PP. But GR will be at stud in 2007 and PP has runners winning now. It seems the topic here is surprise that PP has sired winners early in his career, not a comparison with his yet- to- stud-but-still-proven brother.


As far as this crooked toe, how does anyone know PP didn't get that from an injury since I seem to remember PP was injured during his racing career.

[Sysonby]

Pure Prize toes in both legs with one somewhat worse. Now that could be a deformity rather than a genetic issue but when I saw him I was amazed he even ran looking like that much less won stakes and a bunch of money.

I would be interested in what his kids look like on the front end.

[KAL]

We have had two PP's. Both nice. One hurt while being sales prepped, the other sold as weanling. I would be surprised if both did not turn out to be useful.

Many of the Pure Prizes have some similar traits, but few negative ones. His crookedness does seem to occur in about 1/5 of his get, but with the questionable book of mares he received it is hard to tell if he is totally to blame.

He does look bad, however one thing to consider, there was never any attempt to correct him cosmetically. He was bred to be a racehorse and the Phipps saw no need to "alter" him. This makes him more reliable than many stallions, in my book.

He does have a wonderful body and is an aggressive breeder. His fee went from $7,500 to $12,500 and he will be popular at his new fee. Some of his kids do get a little of the Storm Cat mentality and can be hard to deal with... but that is true with many stallions.

[Ill-bred]

Was Pure Prize a success or disappointment?

He's a Phipps homebred by Storm Cat, out of champion Heavenly Prize, by Seeking the Gold.

Race career: 17-5-5-2 $475,459

G2 winner, sold privately at the end of his career.

[Ill-bred]

I would pick "success."

And looking at the PPs and pedigrees of his five stakes winners, I like him even more. All of his horses are coming on at the end of their races.

He never ran on turf, but I would think he could be a very good turf sire (two turf stakes wins already, full bro a G1 winner on the turf).

[larrygene]

I just got through looking at the 360 degree photo and the walking video of PP in the Blood Horse and I couldn't see that much toeing in or crooked legs. I will admit he does paddle a bit with the right front leg when he walks but nothing I saw was that severe. Also, I'm wondering if there could be a possible optical illusion with the sock pattern on the right front to make it appear to be more toed in than it really is. Usually I can tell toeing in or out when a horse walks away from me ,and again, when he walked away in the video from a rear view it did not look severe. I have not personally seen any of his get but he looks like a useful young sire. Its hard to beat Phipps breeding.

Larrygene