Roar

[aurora]

Can anyone separate the wheat from the chaff on Roar? His statistics are mixed up with S. American runners and I would like to know what his N. American stats are.

[ASB]

He's an interesting one. I think he deserves some recognition as a decent breed to race stallion... I havent checked out his fee but they probably have him priced as big fish in a small pond but he SHOULD be around 5k.

[Rokeby Forever]

Looking at his overall, Roar is still a great value at $7,500. He gets 78% starters, 61% runners, 8% SWs, and his runners average $43,000. His AEI is better than his CI, as well...so he's been moving mares up over his career.

He's from one of the finiest broodmare families in the history of the sport (Rokeby, of course!), and with the enhanced purses in the Cal Bred program, I think he's a really "breed to race" sire, as ASB says.

[KAL]

With a little work (very little), you can get his North American Stats. The Thoroughbredtimes Stallion directory while putting all the stats together, does distinguish the Northern Hemisphere from the Southern. Thus, you simply have to either back out the Southern and recalculate %'s. Or, you can add only the Northern Hemisphere stats and recalculate.

Okay... Rokeby... use your argument FOR Roar (basically, how great his family is) and then give us an opinion of Congrats and Flatter. Bet you cannot do it without contradicting yourself...

However, if you stick by your guns, you and I will be somewhat in agreement. Personally, having seen Flatter, having gotten solid information about his on track problems, and having seen several of his foals, I think he will be a pleasant surprise for anyone who has or will use him. I hear Congrats is possibly even more impressive, physically... in no way am I predicting greatness, however I think they will be useful and may be solid values (especially given many of the overinflated fees of many stallions).

[Rokeby Forever]

Hi Kal. Um, I'm not sure what you'd like me to say - both Flatter and Congrats have 24K gold Rokeby blood - they're from one of the greatest broodmare families in the sport. That's not to say that I'm prejudiced, mind you...However, Flatter and Congrats are probably "breed to race" sires, and are well bred enough that a good one now and then from either or both shouldn't come as unexpected. As sons of AP Indy, they certainly descend from a better family than Bernardini, and they aren't commanding $100,000. Stephen Got Even doesn't come from a family that matches Flatter or Congrats, and he managed to sire a champion, didn't he?

Cloverleaf is doing a really good job getting some young, new blood into Florida.

[halo]

Im not sure how anyone can state that a horse with not a single foal to the races is a "breed to race" stallion. Congrats will probably be a very popular first year stallion, and we'll see a lot of his first foals in the sales ring. Breed to race? How can a stallion be for the "breed to race" crowd (of which Im in that crowd) if the horse hasnt gotten any foals to the races? Thats the whole point of breeding to race, to narrow your options by choosing stallions who already have had a crop or two under the gun and have proven that they can get a race horse. First and second year horses dont fit that bill. Fortunately Florida is full of the "breed to race" type.

[Sysonby]

I suspect that the entire California program is breed to race by Kentucky standards. At his new fee and his evident popularity at the California sales, Roar has a slight chance of being commercial as well.

[CA Michael]

Several years ago Roar's decreasing fertility became a public issue, which the farm addressed square-on. In an effort to lower his book size, it raised his stud fee to $15,000. I don't know if his fertility has improved since then, but his fee has been halved. He is certainly an attractive horse and has produced some excellent specimens, too. I consider Rancho San Miguel one of the best farms in CA, primarily due to its manager, Clay Murdock. He's a straight shooter and in this business that's tough to find.

[CA Michael]

Several years ago Roar's decreasing fertility became a public issue, which the farm addressed square-on. In an effort to lower his book size, it raised his stud fee to $15,000. I don't know if his fertility has improved since then, but his fee has been halved. He is certainly an attractive horse and has produced some excellent specimens, too. I consider Rancho San Miguel one of the best farms in CA, primarily due to its manager, Clay Murdock. He's a straight shooter and in this business that's tough to find.

[tbrace]

Is Roar still shuttling to So. America?

How is his fertility these days?

[Sysonby]

Is Roar still shuttling to So. America?

How is his fertility these days?

Roar hasn't shuttled since he came to California. In terms of his fertility, I would check with the farm. They've been pretty upfront about his "issues" and $7500 is a nice fee for him relative to the rest of the California roster.