In an attempt to assess soundness this study ranks the top stallions by both percentage of starters from foals and average starts per starter. Noticeably absent are the KY big bucks stallions. IMO the study is especially useful for those who breed to race and those considering a potential broodmare. Here's the link:
http://www.grayson-jockeyclub.org/resou ... no%205.pdf
Grayson Foundation/Jockey Club Soundness Study
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Patuxet
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The "big guns" simply didn't make the cut. These lists are comprised of only the top soundness stallions, the ones which had 75% or more starters from foals and whose starters made 20 or more starts. As some one asked, ""Where are the multi-thousand-dollar Kentucky stallions? Nowhere to be seen on the "Lifetime Starts Per Starter" list. The first stallion standing in Kentucky is Is It True who is 44th on the list."
I don't think we'll be seeing these statistics quoted anytime soon in any slick ads in The BloodHorse or The Thoroughbred Times.
I don't think we'll be seeing these statistics quoted anytime soon in any slick ads in The BloodHorse or The Thoroughbred Times.
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There's a bias towards older horses in that study. Look at the dates of birth and calculate a mental average. I'm not sure why it is, but it may have to do with the fact that the last year for which the investigators felt comfortable calculating statistics is quite a few years ago.
Nevertheless, bearing in mind that some of the Kentucky blue bloods that didn't get into the top ranks might be a bit young to qualify, it still remains that some of the old ones like your Storm Cats, A.P. Indys and even Dynaformer are nowhere to be seen either list. I wouldn't mind seeing which horses are at the bottom of these lists.
Nevertheless, bearing in mind that some of the Kentucky blue bloods that didn't get into the top ranks might be a bit young to qualify, it still remains that some of the old ones like your Storm Cats, A.P. Indys and even Dynaformer are nowhere to be seen either list. I wouldn't mind seeing which horses are at the bottom of these lists.
remember that only stallions foaled within the last 20 years made the list so Storm Cat is out, being 1983.
That said, I'm amazed. I had noticed Strike the Gold's progeny had many starters, but I never even HEARD of Shining Steel.
That said, I'm amazed. I had noticed Strike the Gold's progeny had many starters, but I never even HEARD of Shining Steel.
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The offspring from the big bucks, needs to win big bucks races for the big bucks trainers and so on. You don not see a storm cat running in an 20 K claimer race as a young horse. You can only think, what the owner will do.
What I always stated, sprinting ruines a young horse look at the dosage from shining steel, he runs all day and much more.
And he is bred to race at the turf.
What I always stated, sprinting ruines a young horse look at the dosage from shining steel, he runs all day and much more.
And he is bred to race at the turf.
I was looking at the study. One thing that I wonder is if the stallions listed in table 1 by average strats per starter sire mostly cheap claimers. I say that because I wonder if there is a correlation between class and soundness. Cheap claimers tend to run forever. A lot of their pedigrees are not that commercial for breeding as well (on the whole- I know there are lots of exceptions).
For those stallions listed in Table 1, I wonder how many have made the Leading Sire List by either Earnings, AEI, or Perecenatge of Stakes winners?
On the list, I know Dixie Brass and Citidancer were great Regional sires so I would put them on that list. Others?
Also, Interesting that only a handful or stallions made both lists. None of whom I would consider superstar sires. Unfortunately.....
On another note, I was surprised Skip Trial was left off the list. His numbers, if I remember correctly, were pretty competitive with those listed in the tables.
Why does it seem like the most brillant horses are the most unsound? Are our best sires and dams those that are unsound? Correlation between soundness and brillance?
Is it class or is it that they are simply retired to the breeding shed because they have popular bloodlines?
Just wondering....
For those stallions listed in Table 1, I wonder how many have made the Leading Sire List by either Earnings, AEI, or Perecenatge of Stakes winners?
On the list, I know Dixie Brass and Citidancer were great Regional sires so I would put them on that list. Others?
Also, Interesting that only a handful or stallions made both lists. None of whom I would consider superstar sires. Unfortunately.....
On another note, I was surprised Skip Trial was left off the list. His numbers, if I remember correctly, were pretty competitive with those listed in the tables.
Why does it seem like the most brillant horses are the most unsound? Are our best sires and dams those that are unsound? Correlation between soundness and brillance?
Is it class or is it that they are simply retired to the breeding shed because they have popular bloodlines?
Just wondering....
Well that is very interesting data.
For those who subscribe to conspiracy theories, what might happen to stud books if we all ONLY bred sound horses?
For those who subscribe to conspiracy theories, what might happen to stud books if we all ONLY bred sound horses?
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So Run for the Roses, as fast as you can.....
Madelyn, than there would just only one winner each race, but at least
you are able to enjoy the horse seeiing to race more than just once.
To me it has become more and more a buisiness game for a lot of people
only the big hits are important and not the losses from the vast majority.
Personelly I like to own a racer, not a trainers horse.
you are able to enjoy the horse seeiing to race more than just once.
To me it has become more and more a buisiness game for a lot of people
only the big hits are important and not the losses from the vast majority.
Personelly I like to own a racer, not a trainers horse.