We'll have to give Indy some special attention tomorrow... he can be the jealous type.
Arriving Today
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Arriving Today
The new stallion that we're standing this year will be arriving later today. His name is "Thunders On." We probably won't get much of a feel for him tonight... we'll let him settle in and see what he's like tomorrow. His owners say he's a sweetheart to handle... I'm hoping they're right!
We'll have to give Indy some special attention tomorrow... he can be the jealous type.
We'll have to give Indy some special attention tomorrow... he can be the jealous type.
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He's a son of Thunder Gulch, out of a Caerleon mare. Here's his pedigree: http://www.pedigreequery.com/thunders+on
And a picture:
He's still a couple of hours out, but apparently he walked right on the trailer like a gentleman.
And a picture:
He's still a couple of hours out, but apparently he walked right on the trailer like a gentleman.
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He's not ours, we're just standing him... but thanks! 
We'll have to see what we can do about a conformation shot. I have another picture of him but he's walking in the picture. The owners gave us a video and a DVD of him, too.
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Even though you're just standing him, it must be exciting. I like his pedigree. Female family of Quill, 4X4 to Northern Dancer through two good sons. Broodmare sire and mare conduit profiles both suggest stamina. And if one goes along the bottom of the dam line a little farther back, something I always like to see, a daughter of Count Fleet.
His race record is interesting, retired to stud then brought back again. I wonder if he raced routes or sprints?
His race record is interesting, retired to stud then brought back again. I wonder if he raced routes or sprints?
My APR shows that he ran mostly sprints (11) but also some routes (4.) He won both, but it appears from a quick glance at my APR that he probably did better with some distance. He won his 6f race by 3 3/4 lengths and he won his 1 1/16 mi race by 2 3/4, according to paperwork I have here...
Anyway... He has arrived and is tucked in comfortably in his stall. I'll get a better feel for his personality tomorrow, but so far he appears to be well-behaved and easy to get along with.
Anyway... He has arrived and is tucked in comfortably in his stall. I'll get a better feel for his personality tomorrow, but so far he appears to be well-behaved and easy to get along with.
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Well this should be interesting. There are some nice horses in his pedigree...But do you really think he will get alot of bookings with that page 
Glad to hear you are not the owners.
FIRST AMENDMENT (IRE), 1992, Caerleon- Penultimate by Roberto.
YRS ST WN PL SH EARNED SR SSI
1997 Thunders On,Ch,c,Thunder Gulch 4 15 2 1 0 8,740 ( 81) 0.28
North America Dirt Sprints 11 1 0 0 5,275 ( 77)
North America Dirt Routes 4 1 1 0 3,465 ( 81)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 3 0 0 0 484 ( 66)
DP = 6-0-13-4-1 DI = 1.09 CD = 0.25 AWD = 7.25
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
KEEAPR 1999 8 $80,000 $137,300 2yo ( 6/10) $40,000
1999 First Alert (Gb),Ch,f,Miswaki 1 4 0 0 1 6,150 ( 74) 0.56
IN UNITED KINGDOM 1 7 2 1 1 10,382
North America Turf Record 1 0 0 0 0 ( 74)
North America Dirt Sprints 2 0 0 0 2,100 ( 67)
North America Dirt Routes 1 0 0 1 4,050 ( 72)
DP = 9-4-21-5-1 DI = 1.42 CD = 0.38 AWD = 6.07
2000 =Yeoman Lad (Gb),B,c,Groom Dancer
IN UNITED KINGDOM 4 17 1 1 3 16,323
DP = 8-0-19-4-3
DI = 1.06 CD = 0.18 AWD = 6.07
2002 =First Precedent (Fr),Ch,f,Polish Precedent
IN FRANCE 1 4 0 1 0 1,933
DP = 3-5-21-4-1 DI = 1.19 CD = 0.15
PENULTIMATE, 1987, Roberto- Last Feather by *Vaguely Noble.
YRS ST WN PL SH EARNED SR SSI
1991 =Verdigris (Ire),B,f,Green Desert
IN UNITED KINGDOM 2 11 1 3 0 12,171 DP = 4-11-24-1-2 DI = 1.80 CD = 0.33 AWD = 9.95
1992 First Amendment (Ire),Ch,f,Caerleon 1 1 1 0 0 8,400 ( 83) 5.40
IN UNITED KINGDOM 2 3 0 1 1 3,435
North America Turf Record 1 1 0 0 8,400 ( 83)
DP = 3-4-23-10-2 DI = 0.79 CD = -0.10 AWD = 9.00
1993 Barren
1994 =Personal Best (Ire),Ch,f,=Kris (Gb)
IN FRANCE 1 4 1 0 2 22,473 IN GERMANY 1 1 0 1 0 4,478
DP = 5-4-20-5-6 DI = 0.90 CD = -0.07 AWD = 10.44
At 3 2nd Nereide-Rennen (GER), 3rd Pr Occitanie-Trophy Geny Courses (FR)
1996 =Razzle Dazzle (Ire),,f,Caerleon
IN FRANCE 2 6 0 0 1 4,891 DP = 3-4-23-10-2 DI = 0.79 CD = -0.10
1997 Barren
Glad to hear you are not the owners.
FIRST AMENDMENT (IRE), 1992, Caerleon- Penultimate by Roberto.
YRS ST WN PL SH EARNED SR SSI
1997 Thunders On,Ch,c,Thunder Gulch 4 15 2 1 0 8,740 ( 81) 0.28
North America Dirt Sprints 11 1 0 0 5,275 ( 77)
North America Dirt Routes 4 1 1 0 3,465 ( 81)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 3 0 0 0 484 ( 66)
DP = 6-0-13-4-1 DI = 1.09 CD = 0.25 AWD = 7.25
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
KEEAPR 1999 8 $80,000 $137,300 2yo ( 6/10) $40,000
1999 First Alert (Gb),Ch,f,Miswaki 1 4 0 0 1 6,150 ( 74) 0.56
IN UNITED KINGDOM 1 7 2 1 1 10,382
North America Turf Record 1 0 0 0 0 ( 74)
North America Dirt Sprints 2 0 0 0 2,100 ( 67)
North America Dirt Routes 1 0 0 1 4,050 ( 72)
DP = 9-4-21-5-1 DI = 1.42 CD = 0.38 AWD = 6.07
2000 =Yeoman Lad (Gb),B,c,Groom Dancer
IN UNITED KINGDOM 4 17 1 1 3 16,323
DP = 8-0-19-4-3
DI = 1.06 CD = 0.18 AWD = 6.07
2002 =First Precedent (Fr),Ch,f,Polish Precedent
IN FRANCE 1 4 0 1 0 1,933
DP = 3-5-21-4-1 DI = 1.19 CD = 0.15
PENULTIMATE, 1987, Roberto- Last Feather by *Vaguely Noble.
YRS ST WN PL SH EARNED SR SSI
1991 =Verdigris (Ire),B,f,Green Desert
IN UNITED KINGDOM 2 11 1 3 0 12,171 DP = 4-11-24-1-2 DI = 1.80 CD = 0.33 AWD = 9.95
1992 First Amendment (Ire),Ch,f,Caerleon 1 1 1 0 0 8,400 ( 83) 5.40
IN UNITED KINGDOM 2 3 0 1 1 3,435
North America Turf Record 1 1 0 0 8,400 ( 83)
DP = 3-4-23-10-2 DI = 0.79 CD = -0.10 AWD = 9.00
1993 Barren
1994 =Personal Best (Ire),Ch,f,=Kris (Gb)
IN FRANCE 1 4 1 0 2 22,473 IN GERMANY 1 1 0 1 0 4,478
DP = 5-4-20-5-6 DI = 0.90 CD = -0.07 AWD = 10.44
At 3 2nd Nereide-Rennen (GER), 3rd Pr Occitanie-Trophy Geny Courses (FR)
1996 =Razzle Dazzle (Ire),,f,Caerleon
IN FRANCE 2 6 0 0 1 4,891 DP = 3-4-23-10-2 DI = 0.79 CD = -0.10
1997 Barren
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I hope the horse does well for you and the owner, however Im with the other poster.
I see a lot of people on here attempting rescues, trying to find homes for horses who cant make it on the track, etc. This is the kind of stallion thats going to have you scrambling around to find homes for horses who cant cut it on the track.
I hope you breed a champion I hope you dont take what I said the wrong way.
I see a lot of people on here attempting rescues, trying to find homes for horses who cant make it on the track, etc. This is the kind of stallion thats going to have you scrambling around to find homes for horses who cant cut it on the track.
I hope you breed a champion I hope you dont take what I said the wrong way.
Winnie: I have no idea how many mares this stallion will get. Probably not very many, since the Indiana program is in the state that it is. Even stallions who used to routinely get 50+ mares in this state are now only getting mares in the single digits. I do not believe that it is the intent of the owners to just "get a lot of bookings" although obviously they are hoping that there is some interest in their stallion.
Foggy: Have you seen this stallion or any of his babies? Do you know the details behind his race history? I only know bits and pieces of his history, which is certainly not enough for me to assume that I would know what he is capable of producing in the future, or what the owners/breeders of said future foals might have in mind for them if they either can't cut it as racehorses or when their race careers are over. If you have first hand knowlege of this stallion's personal situation and his offspring that brings you to your conclusions, please share... I'd love to hear details so I might know as much as possible about this guy.
I DO believe that the future of horses being bred is something that EVERY breeder/stallion owner should bear in mind, but I find that quite often, offspring of more "fashionable" sires can actually be MORE difficult to place than the offspring of less "fashionable" sires... and there are hundreds more of those foals to place!
I know that the owners have reasons why they believe in their stallion, and there are reasons behind why they want to stand him at stud, and why they want to do so in Indiana this year, but even I don't know every detail. I'm sure the owners do appreciate the kind words of the majority of our posters, who, even if they might not like the stallion or wouldn't personally breed to him, still wish the owners some success.
Speaking in general terms, not specifically about the comments in this thread: I find it frustrating that there are so many people who have no first hand knowledge of a situation yet are SO ready and willing to jump to conclusions and make the worst possible assumptions about a horse and/or it's connections. I run into that all the time with our own stallion, as has been discussed previously on this board, and it drives me nuts to hear people make statements or form opinions with no real knowlege of the specific situation.
Everyone's entitled to their opinions, but sometimes I just shake my head at the inherent negativity expressed by some and the just plain eagerness to be "mean" of others. I, personally, prefer to look for the good in something, or at least know all the facts before I condemn something. And that's just MY opinion.
Foggy: Have you seen this stallion or any of his babies? Do you know the details behind his race history? I only know bits and pieces of his history, which is certainly not enough for me to assume that I would know what he is capable of producing in the future, or what the owners/breeders of said future foals might have in mind for them if they either can't cut it as racehorses or when their race careers are over. If you have first hand knowlege of this stallion's personal situation and his offspring that brings you to your conclusions, please share... I'd love to hear details so I might know as much as possible about this guy.
I DO believe that the future of horses being bred is something that EVERY breeder/stallion owner should bear in mind, but I find that quite often, offspring of more "fashionable" sires can actually be MORE difficult to place than the offspring of less "fashionable" sires... and there are hundreds more of those foals to place!
I know that the owners have reasons why they believe in their stallion, and there are reasons behind why they want to stand him at stud, and why they want to do so in Indiana this year, but even I don't know every detail. I'm sure the owners do appreciate the kind words of the majority of our posters, who, even if they might not like the stallion or wouldn't personally breed to him, still wish the owners some success.
Speaking in general terms, not specifically about the comments in this thread: I find it frustrating that there are so many people who have no first hand knowledge of a situation yet are SO ready and willing to jump to conclusions and make the worst possible assumptions about a horse and/or it's connections. I run into that all the time with our own stallion, as has been discussed previously on this board, and it drives me nuts to hear people make statements or form opinions with no real knowlege of the specific situation.
Everyone's entitled to their opinions, but sometimes I just shake my head at the inherent negativity expressed by some and the just plain eagerness to be "mean" of others. I, personally, prefer to look for the good in something, or at least know all the facts before I condemn something. And that's just MY opinion.
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I didnt mean my statement to be offensive, and I do wish you the best of luck with the stallion
Im just saying... A horse that broke Maiden at Beulah for 4000, and won once for 4000n2l at Beulah doesnt scream stallion to me. Im not familiar with the family, and Im not familiar with the kind of horses the family has. However, regardless of the family this horse had no speed, and really no talent whatsoever.
Im glad the owners believe in the horse and I hope they get some nice mares, I just fear this horse will breed more of the horses everyone in here scrambles around to save. Just my opinion.
One thing they should have tried with the horse was turfing, that horse was bred to run long on the turf, not sprint on the dirt. The misplacing of the horse in races, mirrors the misplacement of him as a stallion.
Im just saying... A horse that broke Maiden at Beulah for 4000, and won once for 4000n2l at Beulah doesnt scream stallion to me. Im not familiar with the family, and Im not familiar with the kind of horses the family has. However, regardless of the family this horse had no speed, and really no talent whatsoever.
Im glad the owners believe in the horse and I hope they get some nice mares, I just fear this horse will breed more of the horses everyone in here scrambles around to save. Just my opinion.
One thing they should have tried with the horse was turfing, that horse was bred to run long on the turf, not sprint on the dirt. The misplacing of the horse in races, mirrors the misplacement of him as a stallion.
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Foggytrip wrote:I didnt mean my statement to be offensive, and I do wish you the best of luck with the stallion
Im just saying... A horse that broke Maiden at Beulah for 4000, and won once for 4000n2l at Beulah doesnt scream stallion to me. Im not familiar with the family, and Im not familiar with the kind of horses the family has. However, regardless of the family this horse had no speed, and really no talent whatsoever.
I really didn't take offense, sorry if my post sounded like I did. I don't know a whole lot about this guy. I do know that his dam raced in Ireland and England, (4 starts, 1 win, 1 second, 1 third, 1 fourth.) She was brought to the USA and bred to Thunder Gulch, foaled in KY, but then Thunders On was sent to England for a while. He was brought back to Kentucky... and he's been in Ohio and Pennsylvania and West Virginia, and who knows where else? I thought maybe you knew him or knew some of his previous connections... he's "been around." I can't comment on his speed, all I know is the very little that I have in front of me: that when he won his 1 1/16 mile race, he clocked the mile at 1:38.6 and raced the last 1/16 in 6 seconds to finish at 1:44.6.
Foggytrip wrote:One thing they should have tried with the horse was turfing, that horse was bred to run long on the turf, not sprint on the dirt. The misplacing of the horse in races, mirrors the misplacement of him as a stallion.
That could be very true. It seems he had more success the few times routing (1 win and 1 second from 4 tries) than he did sprinting. Perhaps he should've been tried on the turf, too... all things to consider when looking at his actual record. Perhaps the fact that Indiana now has a very nice turf course will cause some breeders to consider him further.
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I am behind you...I hope that you are successful with him and if I can help you get the word out in Illinois I would be glad too..when I was told so many negative things about my stallion I took them and am trying to learn from them. I was always taught if you believe strongly in something soon you will have others that believe with you.....so I am still believing and listening .....my next colt will be named SUM Day SUM Way....Believe strongly find his good points and tell others about them....that is my advice to you and ohhh listen to Madelyn she has been one of my greatest teachers and I love Rocking Trick even though I have never met him.