Kiridashi

[Maven]

If anyone has seen him or knows anything about him or his progeny please share your thoughts with me.

Also, are his foals more sprinters or prefer distances over a mile etc?

Any ideas on who his daughters will cross best with?

Thanks.

[Jenny]

I have seen him. and he is a monster both in height and temperment. He moved last year from Ontario to western Canada. I know he does throw some good runners, large offspring. but that is all I know.

[geowarrior]

Not to be snide, I just can't tell from the post, is a monster temperament a good or a bad thing?

[Jenny]

I meant bad, any of the foals I have met were nuts! I saw him at Park stud and he was coming over the stall because he knew a mare had arrived. The other stallions were just nickering, but he was going crazy. I mean hurt himself crazy. I thought at that moment there is no way I would breed my mare to him. I would be afraid of her getting injured.

[K~2]

Kiridashi is a big coarse horse, who generally throws big coarse runners. He was the sire of this years Older Female Sovereign Award winner Financingavailable. Quite a few are not conformationally correct, but that hasn't stopped his progeny from earning more than $6.5 million

I saw him when he was at Park Stud, and while he was agitated in his stall, I would certainly not classify him as a monster.

[Maven]

Thats pretty much what I was expecting to hear. This filly is a real big girl, very high-strung and just doesnt compromise. She's also a speed-ball. She had amazing speed and will try to carry it as far as she can. Only one horse has been able to head her at the start and she broke badly in that race.

[jellac]

Kiridashi's pedigree is interesting as his 2nd dam Sharp Briar(Can) is the successful result of sex balanced inbreeding to the Byerly Turk descent sire AMBIORIX via his very good daughter Golden Sari (dam of Selari) and Sharp Sherry a daughter of Amber Morn. Selari brings in a cross to PRINCE JOHN over Banta and the Bourtai female family - Banta traces tail female to a daughter of another Byerly Turk sire, The Tetrach, of considerable pedigree influence. Perhaps that additional overlay of another strain of Byerly Turk blood gave this subsequent inbreeding via Amber Morn's daughter the extra oomph? This Canadian branch of the N. American AMBIORIX family is quite a font of good stone cold runners, many of high calibre....this line is very much active today, especially in Canadian pedigrees. It's also made it's way via some female descendants into the Canadian warmblood and other warmblood registries, one of the outstanding H/J sires in the AQHA world. So at the least a very versatile branch of the AMBIORIX family.

It's interesting that Kiridashi is a large coarse individual as AMBIORIX and four of his stallion sons were sufficiently well put together and balanced individuals to be accepted into the Warmblood registries. I have heard that AMBIORIX was known for his 'monster' temperament but it didn't prevent him from being a Champion racehorse - a Champion Miler - and Leading sire/broodmare sire in this country. One of his sons went on to win the Belmont, Count Amber, and you see his contributions in showjumping histories/pedigrees as well. I've asked the question before as to why there aren't more examples of AMBIORIX inbreeding seen in the pedigrees of TBs of his time and generations immediately thereafter - and it is this temperment that has been offered as an explanation for the paucity of those efforts. Obviously in Sharp Briar's case it was successful. I think I've seen one other successful example of the inbreeding of AMBIORIX but cannot recall it at the moment.

My own mare of this sireline - by AMBIORIX's great-great granson NOON TIME SPENDER (a graded stakes winner/placed horse who competed well at the classic distances of his day against ALYDAR and AFFIRMED, with some quick turn of foot as well) - can be stubborn but has never been mean or truly difficult to handle. You simply have to ask/negotiate with her - you can not force her to do anything she doesn't want to do without a fight on your hands and once she throws down the gauntlet she's in for the full count. On the other hand she's not at all flightly or easily spooked, a bit wary and very appraising of her surroundings but all in all a rather 'smart' mare. This mare is actually a rather refined almost 'dainty' type but I attribute that in part - and to some extent the temperment - to the Rattle Dancer on her dam's side, her 2nd Dam's sire.....I've always heard that the Rattle Dancers could be quite hot to handle.....This mare has consistently 'downsized' the stallions she's been bred to but produced well balanced, close-knit types.....the one exception being her most recent, a now 3YOfilly by Commanchero (UNBRIDLED) who stands at 17.1HH (or taller per some) and has thrown some very large types - this filly is already over 16HH but is rather well made and would not be considered coarse or weedy. She is definitely a full hand taller than her next tallest half sibling.

[Sam]

In case anyone is interested, I do have an old stallion ad with pic of Kiridashi (7-8 years). I can scan in the pic and have added to his page here if anyone wants it.

1300 stallions... I'm sure I have just about anyone who's been at stud in N.A. in the last 10 years.. didn't realize the files had gotten that big.

[Maven]

Please do Sam. Would love to see him. I cant find a photo of him anywhere on the internet!

[Sam]

Please do Sam. Would love to see him. I cant find a photo of him anywhere on the internet!

Will do. I'll send it to Lucy and beg Should be up in a day or two. Maven, if you want to PM me your email addy, I can send it to your directly in the mean time.

[LaTroienne]

Huh.

Someone wrote on another board:

I LOVE him. I used to handle him and he is a gentleman for being a breeding stallion. not sure if he is still at Park Stud Farms

[jellac]

...one person's pussycat is another's "monster".....????

[Vindicated]

I have a gelding by Kiradashi-
and he is the barn pet
He was on stall rest for almost 6 months and dispite all of the confinement-he was a gem the entire time
As for his racing career-He was pretty much as game as they come, with a nice bit of speed

[Maven]

Well I got the filly. She's quite large, and VERY starchy. I dont think anyone is going to turn their back on her.

Funny enough, her next stallions are Danzig Connection, Spectacular Bid, Forli, and Secretariat, yet she was all speed and it was a battle to keep up to 6f. Im assuming she got that speed orientation from Kiridashi even though most his wins came over a mile.

[valerie]

I can't tell you about Kiridashi, but I have a full brother to him that is not course in any way. He has an almost arabian head, and has been throwing that head even on the draft mares that have been bred to him. I thought he was a little high strung when we first got him but after turning him out and letting him be a horse for a little bit, he is more bluff than anything else. I am hoping mine will just put a few useful local runners on the ground for my own use. Interesting to hear about how different they are