ETA: Dunsinyne was last known to be at Norcrest Farms. At this time his status is unknown. I hope he survived.
ETA: FL SPCA confirms that Dunsinyne was euthanized in his stall.
We think this is the same horse. Please check out all the info. on the Tim Woolley racing forum here: http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/mb/mes ... 0.1&maxT=2
$600 to save this big guy.
Stallion Dunsinyne (ETA: R.I.P. Dunny)
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Stallion Dunsinyne (ETA: R.I.P. Dunny)
Last edited by summerhorse on Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:39 pm, edited 5 times in total.
Every mighty oak was once an acorn that stood its ground.
I thought Cheryl and the Our Mims people picked him up last year? How has he wound up in danger of slaugher a second time?
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Correction.. Old Friends
Here's last year's thread on him and his troubles.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/view ... =dunsinyne
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Correction.. Old Friends
Here's last year's thread on him and his troubles.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/view ... =dunsinyne
Last year he appeared to be a rescue, but once you looked into it [or at least I did] his owner wouldn't even try to get his papers in order & wouldn't take less than $5,000. for him.
I spent about 3 months trying to work it out, but the owner had free board at the time & wasn't as motivated as he apparently is, now. Or perhaps by now he's abandoned the poor horse.
[Meanwhile, we filled the stall & have no room -- but I'll try to contact this horse's former trainer & hope for the best.]
I spent about 3 months trying to work it out, but the owner had free board at the time & wasn't as motivated as he apparently is, now. Or perhaps by now he's abandoned the poor horse.
[Meanwhile, we filled the stall & have no room -- but I'll try to contact this horse's former trainer & hope for the best.]
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here is the previous story, started out with all the right rescue buzzwords and then switched to a forum member acting as agent. Not a lot of commission collected on this one I suppose. Shame considering someone really wanted him last year.
here is the previous story, started out with all the right rescue buzzwords and then switched to a forum member acting as agent. Not a lot of commission collected on this one I suppose. Shame considering someone really wanted him last year.
The whole story
I am the forum member who tried to act as agent to get the horse rescued, please do not jump to conclusions....OK here is the story from the begining, again. I was contacted by my vet, almost exactly a year ago, about a Thoroughbred stallion that was living out in a cattle field surviving on nothing but silage.
He had lost several hundred pounds over the winter as we are in Northern NY. I did some research and found out he was Dunsynine, a stakes winning son of Kris S, who had stood briefly in NY a couple years ago. The farmer in possesion of him informed me he was boarding the horse for the owner, we will call "Bob". The payment for 1 year of board was a portable round pen. Originally "Dunny" lived in the round pen in the cattle field but he was able to jump over the fence to be with the cattle so the farmer left him in with the cattle.
I contacted Bob, he told me he had fallen on hard times but would sell the horse for $5,000. I told him he probably would not get that but I would try to get the horse sold. I did. Bob admitted there was a lien on the horse (or perhaps sherrifs sale?) but he could get it together to get duplicate papers. The buyer was very nice and excited to save the horse. Meanwhile, Bob delayed and delayed no matter how much proding. I have still never met the guy face to face, but a little digging found northern NY litterd with cast offs from his defunct farm, the ones that survived anyway, some were walked into a pit and shot. Others were rescued by a local non-profit kids riding center.
I paid for some basic vet bills for Duny like a coggins etc, about $300 worth, which I was going to take from Bobs portion of the sale as well as $250 in commission. I was taking nothing from the buyer.
After waiting on Bob for months, the buyer backed out but she did contact Dunys former trainer Michael Dickinson. He called me and was very concerned. He said he would contact the man who owned Duny when he trained him. We will call him "Joe". A couple days later Joe called, he was very angry, yelling at me for stealing his horse and demanding to know where he was. I gave him the location, and told him about "Bob" who claimed to be the owner. I asked Joe if he would sell Duny and he said he would but admitted to a lien on the horse and said he would take care of every thing and I should back off. I called Bob and called Bob and called Joe and nothing.
Time past and I would occasionaly drive over and see Duny in the cattle field. Month after Month. Apparently Bob gave Duny to the cattle guy, who is now the "owner". The local vet has been trying to find a home for him, but w/o J.C. papers no local folks want him. I called Michael Dickinson last week and he was very disgusted with what had happened and said he would contact "Joe" to find out what was going on.
If some one is willing to buy this horse I would go pick him up and drive anywhere within 200 mile radius for free.
He had lost several hundred pounds over the winter as we are in Northern NY. I did some research and found out he was Dunsynine, a stakes winning son of Kris S, who had stood briefly in NY a couple years ago. The farmer in possesion of him informed me he was boarding the horse for the owner, we will call "Bob". The payment for 1 year of board was a portable round pen. Originally "Dunny" lived in the round pen in the cattle field but he was able to jump over the fence to be with the cattle so the farmer left him in with the cattle.
I contacted Bob, he told me he had fallen on hard times but would sell the horse for $5,000. I told him he probably would not get that but I would try to get the horse sold. I did. Bob admitted there was a lien on the horse (or perhaps sherrifs sale?) but he could get it together to get duplicate papers. The buyer was very nice and excited to save the horse. Meanwhile, Bob delayed and delayed no matter how much proding. I have still never met the guy face to face, but a little digging found northern NY litterd with cast offs from his defunct farm, the ones that survived anyway, some were walked into a pit and shot. Others were rescued by a local non-profit kids riding center.
I paid for some basic vet bills for Duny like a coggins etc, about $300 worth, which I was going to take from Bobs portion of the sale as well as $250 in commission. I was taking nothing from the buyer.
After waiting on Bob for months, the buyer backed out but she did contact Dunys former trainer Michael Dickinson. He called me and was very concerned. He said he would contact the man who owned Duny when he trained him. We will call him "Joe". A couple days later Joe called, he was very angry, yelling at me for stealing his horse and demanding to know where he was. I gave him the location, and told him about "Bob" who claimed to be the owner. I asked Joe if he would sell Duny and he said he would but admitted to a lien on the horse and said he would take care of every thing and I should back off. I called Bob and called Bob and called Joe and nothing.
Time past and I would occasionaly drive over and see Duny in the cattle field. Month after Month. Apparently Bob gave Duny to the cattle guy, who is now the "owner". The local vet has been trying to find a home for him, but w/o J.C. papers no local folks want him. I called Michael Dickinson last week and he was very disgusted with what had happened and said he would contact "Joe" to find out what was going on.
If some one is willing to buy this horse I would go pick him up and drive anywhere within 200 mile radius for free.
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Any way to find out who bought him?
Never mind this was posted on TB Champions:
Dianne has rescued him herself and he's either now at, or will be soon, at a farm in vermont where he will be a riding horse. Todd spoke with her himself.
oh, he will be in VT in the spring. the horse is well and is very nice around people. she says he was not mistreated at all.
Never mind this was posted on TB Champions:
Dianne has rescued him herself and he's either now at, or will be soon, at a farm in vermont where he will be a riding horse. Todd spoke with her himself.
oh, he will be in VT in the spring. the horse is well and is very nice around people. she says he was not mistreated at all.
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I thought I had posted my last on this, but I've gotta say 2 things:
1. Kudos to Dianne for rescuing the horse when the owner(s) were finally willing to part with him. El Camino, Michael Dickinson & I all tried last year, but the erstwhile owners weren't ready to part with what they considered an asset rather than a living being soon to need help.
2. Last year the owner(s) thought they had a valuable commodity & wanted serious money for him. If everyone interested in rescuing this horse had contacted the owner directly, it would have reinforced their opinion that this horse was their ticket to cash -- and how many rescues have we seen [and I'm thinking of that sale barn in New England] where the price shot up when potential rescuers expressed interest? In fact, at the same time the 'Kris S stallion at risk' thread was on the board last year, there was also a thread lamenting rescuers' inability to get a horse at risk out of that sale barn because several people with the horse's best interests at heart had called about him & the price suddenly increased.
So, last year it was my opinion that the only shot we had at getting this horse out of that situation without the price inflating was for only 1 person to show interest in him. El Camino had already been involved, so he was the guy.
We spoke several times & at length. El Camino was very clear about what he was doing. It was my money at risk, as well as the horse. I was comfortable with the arrangement & the reasons for it. It still surprises me that others are critical of his involvement.
We were focused on the horse.
1. Kudos to Dianne for rescuing the horse when the owner(s) were finally willing to part with him. El Camino, Michael Dickinson & I all tried last year, but the erstwhile owners weren't ready to part with what they considered an asset rather than a living being soon to need help.
2. Last year the owner(s) thought they had a valuable commodity & wanted serious money for him. If everyone interested in rescuing this horse had contacted the owner directly, it would have reinforced their opinion that this horse was their ticket to cash -- and how many rescues have we seen [and I'm thinking of that sale barn in New England] where the price shot up when potential rescuers expressed interest? In fact, at the same time the 'Kris S stallion at risk' thread was on the board last year, there was also a thread lamenting rescuers' inability to get a horse at risk out of that sale barn because several people with the horse's best interests at heart had called about him & the price suddenly increased.
So, last year it was my opinion that the only shot we had at getting this horse out of that situation without the price inflating was for only 1 person to show interest in him. El Camino had already been involved, so he was the guy.
We spoke several times & at length. El Camino was very clear about what he was doing. It was my money at risk, as well as the horse. I was comfortable with the arrangement & the reasons for it. It still surprises me that others are critical of his involvement.
We were focused on the horse.
Are we all sure that he is safe and OK? I received 2 emails from Diane Dodd last night..one saying he was going to be gelded and become a riding horse and about an hour a 2nd asking if I was interested in him as a stallion without papers? I will forward the emails on if anyone is still wanting him as a stud.
Dianne Dodd is the vet who first brought Dunny to my attention. She has been involved with rescues before and has testified in prosecution of inhumane owners. The cattle guy who had him is moving south. When she drove by his place the other night all the cows were gone. The guy was holding out for $600 because thats what the killers were going to give. Dianne bought him right on the spot and got him out of there and brought him home. She is holding off gelding him to help get some weight back on him.
Sam, what are you taking about? I don’t own, never owned this horse and did everything I could to get this horse a home. I never hindered, impeded or caused the sale of this horse to fall through.
I invested about $400 in cash and numerous hours making phone calls, taking photos, researching to find out who the horse was, driving an hour one way to see him, etc. I received e-mails from people telling me I should have just taken the horse but you don’t understand, they wanted a good amount of money. I am a Police Officer and stealing the horse would have cost me my job.
As far as the commission I was going to make off the initial sale ($250), I had no problem taking that small amount out of the owner, “Bobs”, pocket. I did a lot of work and still had to draw up the contracts and insure the conditions of sheriff’s sale were met. I still would have lost money and the profit would have been in finding dunny a good home. That’s the last I have to say and please stop with the e-mails, I will not respond to them. I find it very ironic I have gotten a black eye over this.
Sam, what are you taking about? I don’t own, never owned this horse and did everything I could to get this horse a home. I never hindered, impeded or caused the sale of this horse to fall through.
I invested about $400 in cash and numerous hours making phone calls, taking photos, researching to find out who the horse was, driving an hour one way to see him, etc. I received e-mails from people telling me I should have just taken the horse but you don’t understand, they wanted a good amount of money. I am a Police Officer and stealing the horse would have cost me my job.
As far as the commission I was going to make off the initial sale ($250), I had no problem taking that small amount out of the owner, “Bobs”, pocket. I did a lot of work and still had to draw up the contracts and insure the conditions of sheriff’s sale were met. I still would have lost money and the profit would have been in finding dunny a good home. That’s the last I have to say and please stop with the e-mails, I will not respond to them. I find it very ironic I have gotten a black eye over this.
el camino wrote:Sam, what are you taking about? I don’t own, never owned this horse and did everything I could to get this horse a home. I never hindered, impeded or caused the sale of this horse to fall through.
Sorry, I didn't mean you. I meant the former owner and his actions last year where he dragged his heels and did just about everything else to not go through with the sale. I've someone who's been doing the same thing to me for the last 6 weeks and it's been an absolute nightmare. I'm about 30 seconds from telling him to piss off and walking away. I've already told my partner to not bring it up anymore unless it's to tell me she's on a truck and I need to go out to the barn.
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